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Yes, overly academic/theoretical, but I thought some Freepers might have some knowledge/experience/thoughts.
1 posted on 05/14/2010 8:23:58 PM PDT by OneWingedShark
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To: OneWingedShark

It’s called “gain twist.”


2 posted on 05/14/2010 8:30:18 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: OneWingedShark

The .460 smith and wesson magnum has a gain twist. There’s an article in a fairly recent American Rifleman about it.


4 posted on 05/14/2010 8:34:31 PM PDT by RC one (WHAT!!!!)
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To: OneWingedShark

Keep in mind that a bullet accellerates down the barrel. So even if you have a steady or constant rate of twist, the bullet will experience a progressive rate of twist due to it’s increasing velocity as it travels down the barrel.


7 posted on 05/14/2010 8:39:39 PM PDT by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: OneWingedShark

Bite your tongue and look up ‘progressive rifling’.

Not in any way associated with liberals/progressives in politics... LOL


9 posted on 05/14/2010 8:40:48 PM PDT by DelaWhere (Better to be prepared a year too early than a day too late.)
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To: OneWingedShark

There’s at least one specialty manufacturer that seems to use gain twist (aka progressive twist) rifling, here: http://www.sviguns.com/1201.php


10 posted on 05/14/2010 8:44:50 PM PDT by Oceander (The Price of Freedom is Eternal Vigilance -- Thos. Jefferson)
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To: OneWingedShark

The Italian Carcano had gain twist rifling. Nothing terribly wrong with it except it has a tendency to wallow out the groove in the bullet due to changing angle as it moves down the bore.

The advantage is the bullet originally hits the rifling as a slow twist which helps keep the bullet from deforming.

I have no idea why S&W chose it.


11 posted on 05/14/2010 8:47:14 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: OneWingedShark
Good question. I have never heard of gain twist before, but then I just learned about polygonal rifling. Bought a CZ 82 recently and thought I had a freakin' shotgun. (Glocks and H&Ks also have polygonal rifling.)
(Grooved rifling on the left, polygonal on the right.)


19 posted on 05/14/2010 8:56:40 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: OneWingedShark

Inconceivable!


24 posted on 05/14/2010 9:09:28 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it.)
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To: OneWingedShark
From about 5 minutes of quick research, gain twist rifling is, or was, used to counter the problem of soft lead bullets "stripping out" of the rifling, rather like a screw stripping it's threads.

There are a few people who still make custom black powder barrels with this feature, to gradually increase the spin rate of a soft lead bullet or ball. But, they are talking about increasing spin from 1 in 96 to 1 in 48. These are VERY slow rates, meant for the longer barrels and lower pressures of black powder.

The harder material of copper, when swaged into constant rate rifling, pretty much solves stripping as a problem.

Keep thinking, though, Butch, that's what your good at...

35 posted on 05/14/2010 9:21:50 PM PDT by jonascord (We've got the Constitution to protect us. Why should we worry?)
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To: OneWingedShark

Variable or varying? The former don’t quite seem possible.


36 posted on 05/14/2010 9:22:09 PM PDT by umgud (Obama is a failed experiment.)
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To: OneWingedShark
My .45 cal muzzle loader has a gain twist barrel I bought from Numrich Arms in the 60s. I don't think they are made now, everything seems to be button rifled rather than cut. You can do gain twist with a button but no one seems to do it.

I made the rifle for deer and hog. I can start a pure lead round ball off with a heavy charge and the gain twist limits stripping, where the rifling fails to hold on the patch and ball. It also works OK with short conicals. The balls usually stopped under the hide on the offside, just about flattened out. I never had to do any chasing down of wounded critters, it hits hard.

As I remember my barrel starts at 1 turn in 72" and is about 1 turn in 56" at the muzzle.

Jacketed bullets might be a whole different matter, the twists involved are usually much faster.

40 posted on 05/14/2010 9:45:11 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter Of Fact, Not A Matter Of Opinion)
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To: OneWingedShark

Since we’re on the subject of Rifling, does anybody have any insight on how exactly are barrels rifled – ie. What type of machine process is used to rifle a barrel?

Broaching?
Milling?


46 posted on 05/15/2010 6:46:11 AM PDT by Voice of Reason88 (One man with a gun can control 100 without one-Vladimir Lenin (The Statist view on guns))
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To: OneWingedShark
Gain twist rifling has been used in several designs, particularly in artillery and automatic weapons. ain small arms, probably the most widespread use was in the WWII era Italian Carcano and Terni rifles as manufactured by several manufacturers, including Beretta, though the gain twist feature was omitted on some later production versions as a manufacturing shortcut.

Background and details *here*.

49 posted on 05/15/2010 7:33:54 AM PDT by archy (Et Thybrim multo spumantem sanguine cerno. [from Virgil's *Aeneid*.])
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To: OneWingedShark

As noted, it’s been done, but it is extra work for a questionable benefit. First, it actually distorts the bullet more than constant twist rifling becuase the grooves in the bullet have to expand to accomodate the grooves in the barrel when the twist turns to a sharper curve.

Second, it takes more work. It’s not so bad now with CNC machines, but before then, the machinist needed a lathe that could change speeds very precisely, and repeat the function exactly each time the tool passed through the barrel.


53 posted on 05/16/2010 5:20:18 AM PDT by sig226 (Mourn this day, the death of a great republic. March 21, 2010)
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