Obama is not a Native US Citizen

Bouvier's Law Dictionary ^ | 1928 | William Edward Saldwin

[bushpilot1]

Meandering through my 1928 Edition of Bouvier's Law Dictionary on page 833, Native, Native Citizen is defined:

Those born in a country, of parents who are citizens.

If Obama does not meet the standards of a native citizen how can he be a natural born citizen.

[Seizethecarp]

“Means, motive, opportunity is there for SADO to be FULLY FUNDED take a nice slow boat-ride to Kenya (or even a jet or turboprop) soon after Feb 1961 BY HERSELF (or with a chaperon) leaving BHO Sr. to uphold the good intentions and good name of the literacy project and free to further plans of the pan-African/pan-Global Marxists for Obama Sr.’s role in post-colonial Kenya intact!”

Playing this hypothetical out, SADO may have found that life for a white wife of a native Kenyan in tribal UK Colonial Kenya was not as romantic as it had appeared in her imagination, and perhaps she found out about Kezia as well.

Perhaps SADO bolted back to the US shortly after Obama II was born in Mombasa. But she perhaps had been told and understood that it would be highly damaging to BHO Sr and his sponsoring literacy foundation for her to appear back in HI with baby Barack. So perhaps the foundation and her parents arranged for her to return not to HI but to WA where she and her family had friends and she could resume her schooling until BHO Sr was safely out of HI with his degree. And then when BHO Sr leaves HI in 1962 she almost immediately returns to HI! Dovetails nicely, I think.

[browardchad]

Bless you, Mr. Rogers. Don’t let these people get you down.

[Seizethecarp]

“It shouldn't matter. If BHO Sr is the acknowledged father, then BHO Jr was not born of two citizen parents.”

Two citizen parents on US soil is certainly the well-documented primary definition of NBC that I favor as well, but what is the intent of that language if not primarily to exclude foreign sovereign influence, as John Jay wrote to Washington?

If BHO II was a confirmed legal dual US citizen and subject of the Queen at birth, I am confident that SCOTUS would rule him to NOT be an NBC at least on a 5-4 decision.

I am not confident that they would apply that ruling retroactively to Obama, but the intent of the founders seems clear that they did not want, at a minimum, the foreign influence of claims of a foreign sovereign on the POTUS as would be the case if Obama was legitimate UK subject at birth as well.

I don't think I can say with confidence how SCOTUS would rule if SADO was legally single and BHO II only had a unitary US citizenship through his mother and NO claim of a foreign sovereign on him because of bigamy.

With an illegitimate father, any foreign influence would only be a weak influence from his illegitimate father and not a sovereign influence under the 1948 BNA. Such an illegitimate foreign influence would not be legally enforceable in any way by the father or the UK.

This makes for a much weaker case than if his parents were married and he was actually governed by the BNA of 1948 at birth. So to me it clearly does matter whether his parents were legally married in a non-bigamous marriage.

If Obama was born in Kenya, nearly all but the most die-hard Obamabots would agree that he is not NBC, which is why I believe he is blocking access to the likely evidential foundation of such a case against him, that being his HI vital records.

[Seizethecarp]

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[Seizethecarp]

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[little jeremiah]

The only part that does not sound credible to me is her going to Kenya by herself with O Sr. If the scenario happened as you describe, perhaps he would have accompanied her, stayed a while and then returned to HI?

From everything I’ve read over the last two years, I think it more likely than not that 0thugga was born in Mombasa.

[Red Steel]

“The only part that does not sound credible to me is her going to Kenya by herself with O Sr. If the scenario happened as you describe, perhaps he would have accompanied her, stayed a while and then returned to HI?”

There is virtually little or no record or accounts on the whereabouts of SAD after she graduated from high school until August of 1961. 99% percent of that time she could have been anywhere.

[x]

Here is the copy of John Jay's letter to George Washington stating..only a natural born citizen be given command of the American Army.

Given that most colonists had been born English subjects and children of British (or other foreign) subjects it's going to take a bit to figure that out.

I suspect he probably meant not someone who'd been born outside of the colonies. Gates and Lee had been born in Britain, Montgomery in Ireland, Mercer in Scotland, Lafayette, de Kalb, von Steuben, Kościuszko, Pulaski on the European continent. With all those more or less foreign generals and colonels in the army would it really matter so much where Greene's or Morgan's or Knox's or Putnam's father or mother had been born?

"The society that developed in the Chesapeake was so unique that British officials often made explicit distinctions between the English-born and the “natives” or "creoles” born in Virginia.

Reminiscent of what was going on in the Spanish colonies at the same time.

But did we really adopt the Spanish distinction between creoles and peninsulares and simply flip it upside down?

[El Gato]

Ching Chuan Kang Air Base (CCK) is/was the Nationalist Chinese base on Taiwan that the US used as a logistics support base during the Vietnam war, as well as earlier and later. Runways shared with Taichung Airport.

Living in Indonesia isn't disqualifying, nor is going to a mosque nor having an Indonesian stepfather - who probably had far more influence on Barry than Barack Sr.

Never said it was, and I agree, at least in part. Barry himself seems to have made his image of BHO senior a big influence on his life.

[Seizethecarp]

“The only part that does not sound credible to me is her going to Kenya by herself with O Sr. If the scenario happened as you describe, perhaps he would have accompanied her, stayed a while and then returned to HI?”

How do you solve a problem like Stanley Ann? How do you hold a moonbeam in your hand?

I believe that U HI transcripts show BHO Sr completing his Spring ‘61 semester while SADO dropped out after the Fall 1960 semester.

If Sr. finished the Spring semester in May 1961, he and SADO could have returned to Kenya at that time but she would have been 6 mos pregnant as opposed to only 3 mos pregnant in February.

There was an historic pre-independence political upheaval in Kenya in early 1961 culminating in a huge celebration on August 14 with the release from prison of Jomo Kenyatta by the British colonial authorities...10 days after BHO II was born!

From Wiki:

The court sentenced Kenyatta on April 8, 1953 to seven years imprisonment with hard labor and indefinite restriction thereafter.[7] The subsequent appeal was refused by the British Privy Council in 1954.

Kenyatta remained in prison until 1959, after which he was detained in Lodwar, a remote part of Kenya.

The state of emergency was lifted in December 1960.

On Feb 28 1960, a public meeting of 25,000 in Nairobi demanded his release. On April 15, 1960, over a million signatures for a plea to release him were presented to the Governor. On May 14, 1960, he was elected Kanu President in absentia. On Mar 23 1961, Kenyan leaders, including Daniel arap Moi, later his long time Vice President and successor as president, visited him at Lodwar. On Apr 11 1961, he was moved to Maralal with daughter Margaret where he met world press for the first time in eight years. On Aug 14 1961, he was released and brought to Gatundu to a hero's welcome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jomo_Kenyatta

Perhaps Obama Sr. and his bride were funded to travel together both to allow him to participate in the agitation to get Kenyatta released as well as to remove SADO and evidence of his indiscretion from HI.

With Kenyatta's release on August 14, BHO Sr would be free to resume his studies in HI as an untarnished worthy recipient of literacy foundation funding, while SADO returned to WA safely out of HI public scrutiny and a potential Africal Airlift scandal.

[little jeremiah]

Very intersesting.

[BP2]

Well, feel free to provide a quote from Rush saying Obama is illegitimate because of his father’s citizenship.

— actual entry from Bouvier’s Law Dictionary, just below "Native Citizen".

I have better things to do than to placate the ramblings of a “Natural Fool” like yourself by searching with my Rush 24/7 membership for quotes that you'd still dispute, regardless of what Rush told a mind-numbed robot like yourself to think.

However, it is more than obvious — even to a pseudo-Conservative and so-called Rush listener like yourself — that Rush DOES doubt Obama’s legitimacy:

Rush Limbaugh pummels Obama on birth certificate
Asking rhetorically what God has in common with Obama, Limbaugh said, “Neither has a birth certificate.”

If you REALLY listen to Rush like you claim, you would have heard other such swipes in the last month alone.
Turn off CNN & MSNBC, actually turn ON the damn radio and listen for yourself! You may learn something.

Sarah Palin voiced concerns in December when asked if she'd make the birth certificate an issue if she ran for president:

I think the public, rightfully, is still making it an issue. I don’t have a problem with that. I don’t know if I would have to bother to make it an issue ’cause I think there are enough members of the electorate who still want answers.

I think it’s a fair question, just like I think past associations and past voting record — all of that is fair game. You know, I’ve got to tell you, too: I think our campaign, the McCain/Palin campaign didn’t do a good enough job in that area. We didn’t call out Obama and some of his associates on their records and what their beliefs were and perhaps what their future plans were. And I don’t think that that was fair to voters to not have done our jobs as candidates and as a campaign to bring to light a lot of the things that now we’re seeing made manifest in the administration.

Sean Hannity has recently also expressed doubt on Obama's legitimacy when he rhetorically asked a caller: “what's wrong with people asking questions about Obama's birth certificate?”

And most recently, Glenn Beck has even softened his stance from "Dumbest thing I've ever heard" (in January) to commenting last week about a recent ABC poll. In an unusually sarcastic tone on the topic, Glenn said:

We know the birth certificate people have been "discredited" — after all, they have the "er" suffix. The other thing we know about "birth-ers" from the Media is that they are mainly Racist Republics ... or are they?

Glenn went on to break down the ABC poll, noting that only 38 percent of those who question Obama's Eligibility are Republicans; the other 62 percent are of other political parties (Democrats, Independents, etc).

So there's more Conservative commentators that advocate the position of the 59 percent of Tea Party supporters that doubt Obama’s legitimacy, than those “Natural Fools” like yourself seemingly know about.

Sorry that your Obama-supporting After-Birther talking points do NOT match the reality on the radio air waves,
as well as the reality of Tea Party rallies that take place across America in protest of Obama's agenda.

[El Gato]

Two citizen parents on US soil is certainly the well-documented primary definition of NBC that I favor as well, but what is the intent of that language if not primarily to exclude foreign sovereign influence, as John Jay wrote to Washington?

Intent can illuminate meaning, but does not override it. If the definition known to the founders was two citizen parents, except if the father was unknown, then he fails to meet that definition. Never mind that his acknowledged sperm donor had virtually nothing to do with him. His step grandmother, and other Kenyan relatives, do seem to have had their influence. (I guess "step" is the closest you can come to "other wife" of grandfather). Then there is cousin Raila Odinga.

[Las Vegas Ron]

What I condone - IF you would bother with reading before posting - is the idea that Obama can be President even with a foreign born father.

I knew you were an obot a long time ago, that's why I don't even bother with your silly obama ass kissing blathering.

You don't even hide the fact that you love defending him, you're a disgrace to this forum.

[BP2]

> I worked 12 hour days as normal in my military career,
> and was deployed 5-6 months each year for much of it.

Ditto. And thank you for your service.

But that still doesn't change the fact that you're utterly WRONG about NOT questioning Obama’s Constitutional legitimacy, as well as offering Obama (the enemy) “aid and comfort”, even though you claim to be working against him.

In case you haven't noticed, there's A LOT of military vets on this board, and a claimed picture of YOU in uniform does not change the fact that you ARE providing HELP and ASSISTANCE today to the enemy you claim to despise.

If you have some sort of screwed-up moral objection to those Conservatives who DO question Obama's Constitutional Eligibility, then I politely suggest that you just shut up and stay out of the way. Otherwise, do not CRY FOUL when YOU receive collateral damage because you're standing TOO CLOSE to the ENEMY!

Even McCain — the RINO that he is ... despite ALL of his faults today — poignantly understood that you never, ever, EVER offer “aid and comfort” to your enemy.

What are YOU doing, offering aid and comfort to YOUR enemy, Mr Rogers?

Your priorities — and sense of reality — are FUBAR if you think you're NOT.

[Mr Rogers]

Once again, you prove your gun is empty...

Not one of the people you mention - NOT ONE - has ever said that Obama’s father makes him ineligible. They don’t need a birth certificate for that, do they - we KNOW about Obama’s father.

Yet NOT ONE has ever said it makes Obama ineligible. Not Rush, not Palin, not Beck, not Hannity, not a single legislature, not a single state executive, not a single Congressman, not a single court - you have a perfect record of LOSING the argument.

You even have to misquote Bouvier’s Law Dictionary to make it say something it does not.

All you can do is call names...but that won’t count for squat in court. All you do with your hate-filled ranting is make real conservatives look crazy.

[BP2]

> All you do with your hate-filled ranting
> is make real conservatives look crazy.

LOL. You forgot to call me Racist, too.

[MHGinTN]

You have nailed the poseur, as did this post on another thread where the frauds like Rogers work to defend their little marxist mangod. ... But they remain a protected gutter species at FR. Go figure

[bushpilot1]

An American Law Dictionary: Born to Parents who are Citizens.

[BP2]

> Not one of the people you mention - NOT ONE -
> has ever said that Obama’s father makes him ineligible.

Once again ... do you need them to tell you what to believe?

It sure the hell seems you do.

Being a mind-numbed robot is a fatal flaw of yours, Mr Rogers ...
regardless of side of the political isle that you REALLY call home.