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1 posted on 05/08/2010 12:29:31 PM PDT by Retired Intelligence Officer
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Here is the case:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/22488868/ANKENY-v-GOVERNOR-OF-THE-STATE-OF-INDIANA-APPEALS-COURT-OPINION-11120903


2 posted on 05/08/2010 12:30:16 PM PDT by Retired Intelligence Officer
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Like about 97% of what is posted on this topic - it is complete BS.


3 posted on 05/08/2010 12:30:53 PM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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If it's true it doesn't necessarily mean anything.
4 posted on 05/08/2010 12:31:42 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Host The Beer Summit-->Win The Nobel Peace Prize!)
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This is bs. They will do anything to make sure the public doesn’t know the truth about Obama. I think it’s time to find out the truth and how people like Pelosi and others have helped Obama pull what looks to be a scam.

I don’t believe he is actually a legitimate President anymore.


6 posted on 05/08/2010 12:34:15 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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It has slipped through the radar because the reasoning and conclusion are patently false although the after-birthers strumpet it.


7 posted on 05/08/2010 12:34:34 PM PDT by Red Steel
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If this was true; it would prove he was not legitmate when he ran and lied to Americans.


8 posted on 05/08/2010 12:36:01 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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His daddy was not American.....therefore he was not ..is not a “natural Born” American.


11 posted on 05/08/2010 12:38:59 PM PDT by Radix (What happened in Massachusetts, is going to be times 10 in a few months.)
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The stench of Chicago is strong on this one.


14 posted on 05/08/2010 12:41:07 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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At best, that court decision would create a usable precedent in Indiana, affecting solely how the State of Indiana sees the issue. That’s because it’s a decision made by an Indiana State court—and not even that State’s Supreme Court.

The meaning of “natural born citizen” is an issue regarding the interpretation of the US Constitution involving the qualifications for a US Constitutional office, and so can only be decided by a US Federal court.


20 posted on 05/08/2010 12:44:18 PM PDT by sourcery (Government should be as powerless as possible, while still able to protect individual rights)
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Just ask him why he was declared last year and why didn’t he tell the public he was illegal when he was running for office?


27 posted on 05/08/2010 12:54:02 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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PING!!
28 posted on 05/08/2010 12:55:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Don't care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A "Natural Born" citizen requires two US parents!)
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I believe this case only confirmed the lower courts decision to dismiss. It doesn’t appear to actually make a claim declaring yea or nay to his natural born citizenship status. Unless I missed something in the legalspeak.


29 posted on 05/08/2010 12:56:11 PM PDT by Snerdley (You can put a Suit on a Community Organizer, but it's still an EMPTY SUIT!)
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A state court in Indiana has nothing to say about who is or isn't a "natural born citizen" of the U.S.

Nice try though, retired troll.

30 posted on 05/08/2010 12:56:36 PM PDT by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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This is assuming he was born here. He still has avoided that issue. If you think he has presented his birth certificate, try applying for Social Security or replacement drivers license by handing them a URL with a scanned copy of your birth certificate and see how far you get.


33 posted on 05/08/2010 1:02:55 PM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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Great, then APPEAL it, subject to discovery.


36 posted on 05/08/2010 1:07:05 PM PDT by FTJM
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And for seconds,

the Indiana court's opinion uses as their "crown jewel" the NBC comment (seen below) right before they hold to dismiss the case in the next sentence.

Which says "...see also, e.g., Diaz-Salazar v. I.N.S., 700 F.2d 1156, 1160 (7th Cir. 1983) (noting in its recitation of the facts that despite the fact father was not a citizen of the United States, he had children who were “natural-born citizens of the United States”)"

The comment comes from an INS case that is unsupportable by any Supreme Court precedence. It's a comment out of the blue, which I suspect, was spoken by the alien's lawyer to elicit emotional appeal to get the case reopened and that a liberal judge felt pity who placed it in his opinion.

There is a few of these type of comments that are littered in immigration and deportation cases that have no weight of court rulings or laws. They come out of the blue sky from the lawyers who represent the alien in defense and get sympathetic liberal judges who place their pap in their dicta. The false statement did not help Diaz-Salazar as he was still deported out of the United States.

38 posted on 05/08/2010 1:08:59 PM PDT by Red Steel
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“The judge, appointed by Obama in October.....


41 posted on 05/08/2010 1:24:13 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by [the US Supreme Court in 1898 in the case of US v] Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens”

Incorrect. Based upon the language, in WKA v United States which you guys in Indiana conveniently lied by omission, Justice Gray writing for the majority gave an example who was and who was not a natural born citizen.

As Binney is quoted in the WKA opinion:

"Mr. Binney, in the second edition of a paper on the Alienigenae of the United States, printed in pamphlet at Philadelphia, with a preface bearing his signature and the date of December 1, 1853, said:

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...such only as are either born or made so, born within the limits and under the jurisdiction of the United States or naturalized by the authority of law, either in one of the States before the Constitution or, since that time, by virtue of an act of the Congress of the United States.

The right of citizenship never descends in the legal sense, either by the common law or under the common naturalization acts. It is incident to birth in the country, or it is given personally by statute. The child of an alien, if born in the country, is as much a citizen as the natural born child of a citizen, and by operation of the same principle. [p666]... "


Binney here is explaining the difference between natives born of aliens, naturalized citizens to natural born citizens. In other words, Wong Kim Ark is the native born of alien parents being compared to natural born citizens. So where was this in your silly opinion Indiana?? Indiana lied their butts off.

45 posted on 05/08/2010 1:34:28 PM PDT by Red Steel
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I would LOVE to see this appealed to the Supreme Court. Using the declaration of citizenship from United States v. Wong Kim Ark to insinuate natural-born citizenship for the Pres__ent is ridiculous. This might just be the appeal needed to put an end to this silliness.


47 posted on 05/08/2010 1:44:33 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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If he was declared a natural born citizen in 2009, what was he before that date? How then was he allowed to run for POTUS in 2008?


48 posted on 05/08/2010 1:52:21 PM PDT by 353FMG (Islam -- America's road to destruction.)
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