Posted on 04/20/2010 5:24:54 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
Arizona has proposed a law, giving law enforcement the authority to stop anyone they suspect as "illegal".
Now you can look silly and try to deny it, but we all know this is nothing more than government sanctioned racial profiling. Its a green light for cops to stop anyone who who appears foreign or more specifically Hispanic.
We already have enough problems in this country with law enforcement conducting searches absent probable cause in the name of the almighty War on Some Drugs. Frisking and searching people because they might be armed, not that the cop saw something he/she can articulate as a possible weapon, but they might have, could have been armed. The USSC just smacked LE again, because they continue to think they can search anyone and everyone in a car simply because they were in the car when it was stopped for a tag light violation. The just ruled (again) that passenger are not required to give officers ID during a traffic stop. The third time such a ruling as been handed down.
It seems that cops are already very capable of violating our constitutional rights without the tacit permission of the state of Arizona.
So why in the hell are conservatives so eager to embrace the this constitutional violation while calling for the heads of anyone who even dare attempt to enact any type of gun restriction. Even if that restriction is in the name of public safety or the safety of law enforcement.
This is a dangerous and slippery slope in this country.
I agree that illegal immigration is a problem, so is crime committed by illegal immigrants.
But so is crime committed by our citizens too. In fact to a much larger and greater extent that all crimes committed by hispanics combined.
This will be found unconstitutional, mark my words.
It wreaks of some of the laws and decrees passed by the Nazis during the 1930's.
Whats next our very own Night and Fog Decree?
Come on folks wake up and stop missing the forrest for the trees. GIving the police what amounts to carte blanche to stop anyone and everyone because they look like they might be illegal is a nightmare waiting to happen.
Between this and the new software program that IMB is working on, Criminal Prediction Software what the hell is happening to this country??!?!
And I'm shocked at the number of people who call themselves conservatives who support such draconian laws promoting constitutional violations1
And, the problem is....?
Better add this thread to the “invader” list.
So the police can detain a Hispanic because they believe that his may be an illegal alien>
And the police can detain a group of young black males who might be on their way to break into a home?
And the police can detain a middle aged white guy who might be on his way to fly his airplane into an IRS building?
All persons born or naturalized in the United States...
Hard to violate that if you are not a citizen. This is a State law and powers not reserved specifically to the Feds are reserved for the States. The Constitution gives States wider latitude since it is easier to vote with your feet to another State than another country.
The RAT congressmen in Arizona really hate this law because it will shut down the little Mexico welfare fiefdoms that keep them in perpetual power.
Are you living in LaLa land? Federal law enforcement, by intent or otherwise, does not effectively enforce the immigration laws. That is quite obvious is it not?
And I do believe local law enforcement readily and willingly participates in enforcement of federal crimes does it not? I mean if you rob a federally insured bank can you not be apprehended by a local sheriff?
There are RICO laws where it is a federal crime to harbor or protect illegals, are there not?
The hypocrisy is in the federal government not enforcing the very protections it has promised the taxpaying citizen.
The Arizona initiative is to address that hypocrisy, heavy handed or otherwise; and you can be sure that local law enforcement properly authorized and properly controlled will help correct that federal impotence quite effectively.
You do agree that this nation is being invaded and this is a serious situation, no?
... “[Proposition]187 is the last gasp of white America in California. And people say to me on the Senate floor when I was in the Senate, why do you fight so hard for affirmative action programs? And I tell my white colleagues, you’re going to need them.”
Art Torres, Chair, California Democratic Party (3 )
“English-only speakers are the pendejos. We will elect the next President. Latino Vote USA is a 20-state alliance. We will decide the ballot issues.”
Esteban Torres, U.S. House of Representatives (4)
“What this means is a transfer of power, it means control, it means who’s going to influence. And it is the young people, the people who are now moving to develop an agenda for the 21st century. They are really going to be in a position to really make the promise of what the Chicano movement was all about in terms of self-determination, in terms of empowerment, and even in the terms of the idea of an Aztlan!”*
Armando Navarro Professor of Ethnic Studies, U.C. Riverside
http://www.americanpatrol.com/ADS/ReconquistaReelectio970719.html
“Many people incorrectly translate our name, “La Raza,” as “the race.”
http://www.nclr.org/content/viewpoints/detail/42500/
Just who are the racists? ROTFLOL
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If the Constitution allowed individual States to have SLAVERY (and it did) then surely the States could deal with non-citizens however it saw fit.
“If the Constitution allowed individual States to have SLAVERY (and it did) then surely the States could deal with non-citizens however it saw fit.”
See 14th Amendment
If they had only wanted these rights to extend to citizens, they would have used the word “citizen” and not “person.”
“nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
Keyword ‘aliens’ added, will ping the list shortly...
Ping!
I’m conflicted...
I very much understand the need for this, yet it doesn’t quite sit right. What mischief can be wrought with this resting in the wrong hands?
But we have dead Americans every day.
What mischief via the wrong hands?
Dead Americans?
Can’t countenance that.
Obama?
Can’t countenance that either.
Oy.
So how dies arresting an ILLEGAL alien violate that? They get their day in court, and the law applies equally to all illegal aliens, even though it is harder to catch one that spoke perfect English.
Enforcement of this potential law will go by the wayside when several LE officers get killed during a routine stop.
That may be statistically true nationwide; but it is certainly not true in the border areas. I know it is hard to understand the situation when you are not close to the root of the problem. The people in Arizona are fed up- Phoenix is 2nd in the world in kidnapping- behind only Mexico City itself. The kidnappings in Phoenix are directly related to illegal immigration and smuggling. Rural areas of Arizona have a huge crime rate for their population, directly related to the border issues.
“The reality is this is blatantly unconstitutional ...”
NONSENSE. Is it ‘racial profiling’ or otherwise objectionable for the police to stop and question every ‘middle aged bald white male driving a Lincoln Navigator’ if that is the description of the guy that just robbed a liquor store ? Of course not. Well, living here illegally is a crime. A CRIME has been committed. Of COURSE police should be looking for perpetrators and using the best description available. There is no difference between the illegal immigrant — who has been reported as being ‘Mexican and Spanish speaking’ — and the robber who was reported as being white, male, and balding.
You say you ‘understand illegal immigrants are a problem’ but you don’t seem to realize that their simple presence is illegal. They don’t need to have committed ADDITIONAL crimes like rape, murder, or robbery. They are ALREADY criminals. The Federal law requires any visitor to this country to enter by a legal point of entry and carry their passport and visa with them AT ALL TIMES while within the country. Failing to do that is a crime and warrants deportation. Giving the appearance of being a foreigner has ALWAYS been enough justification for law enforcement to question you and require you to show your visa and passport. Arizona is passing their own ‘trespassing’ law only because the libs in Washington DC refuse to enforce the Federal immigration laws.
People like you forget that each State is its own Republic, with its own borders and the right to control those borders guaranteed by the 10th Amendment. Even in California, driving into the state from Nevada, Arizona, and Oregon, you will be stopped and asked questions. It is to stop people from bringing in fruit that might be infested with fruit flies and other pests. States have the right to control their own borders to protect against dangers to their economies and health. Illegal immigrants pose a danger to both health and economy.
What you call ‘racism’, I call ‘being minimally observant’.
I’d like to see a mine-field along the border. They wouldn’t need to be deadly — just release a cloud of permanent ink. Setting off a mine would trigger a Border Patrol response looking for people who are purple or wrapped in cellophane. Then American employers can’t claim ignorance if they hire purple people, and “purples” can be readily identified by police for deportation. Purple isn’t a “race”, right ?
“Its the job of the police, local law enforcement to investigate local crimes and respond to complaints of local crimes. Not to become a de facto arm of the federal government.”
So Arizona has now made it a LOCAL CRIME to trespass in their State. By your logic, it is now perfectly fine for it to be the local police’s job to round up these trespassers.
Glad to see you agree and applaud Arizona’s solution.
Nice straw man attempt... glad to see so many conservatives take the constitution so seriously.
I’m gonna bookmark the thread, once its struck down I’ll happily remind everyone of this.
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