Posted on 04/18/2010 3:03:57 AM PDT by Las Vegas Dave
You're 100% Correct. The History channel went downhill at light speed. It *seemed* to me that as soon as Digital Cable became available all the 'good stuff' was moved to their 'History International' channel.
*** I’d like to take the Ax-Men series and the various reality shows....and just push them off to Bravo or some other similar channel and get back to old fashioned history. ***
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It should be pushed alright. But I wouldn't even wish that on Bravo.
The Ax Men (and Ice Road Truckers) is to "history' as Global Warming is to Science.
*** The most amusing point...came about a month ago over the weekend...where they did four hours of Loch Ness, Bigfoot, and aliens. This violated just about every rule in the book on history. ***
Yes, I saw that too. I forget what was on 'HI' (something crappy) but I switched over to the History Channel to 'watch' that while I fell asleep.
*** I’m guessing that they are fairly desperate to have profits and lumberjacks & truckers are the only way to maintain that profit. ***
If they need those programs to make a profit they may as well turn out the lights. I can't imagine how anyone would find those programs the least bit interesting. OOPS almost forgot another winner series, 'Pawn Stars'. That program makes me want to hurl!
The above is why I now try to *mostly* stick to watching the Science Channel and the Military Channel (plus 'HI'). And on Tuesday nights it's the Science Channel all night long.
Given time and numbers people can produce large monuments.
It's fun to suppose that fairies, elves or leprechauns exist. The belief in visiting Aliens is simply that kind of folklore updated. As to proof, the necessity lies with you to prove such an assertion. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. To explain our world and the structures in it, well, no aliens needed, thanks you
I give the Boy Scouts great credit
but not to have built the Great Pyramid
http://www.timstouse.com/EarthHistory/Egypt/GreatPyramid/interestingfacts.htm
Nor Puma Punku
http://ancienthistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_mystery_of_puma_punku
and as far as burden of proof, patience grasshopper. In this life I am not an astroarcheologist but plenty are at work. Stay tuned.
as far as amateurs having proved that all complex 3-d crop circles are surreptitiously built as pranks with boards and chains, overnight, beside public roads, and without being noticed by any passersby, good luck with that myth. You have to selectively quote a few farmers and ignore a whole lot more about light shows!
one of many- scroll through and explain them all- constructed overnight, all of them, just as hoaxes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEMnuXqfGYc&playnext_from=TL&videos=7oUX7SvOdF8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEMnuXqfGYc&playnext_from=TL&videos=7oUX7SvOdF8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqhvmEIZG0o&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugq6frGlKVQ&feature=related
Meanwhile, enjoy those Hitler shows on the History Channel!
Oh, for goodness sakes. Just read I Enoch. Or, the Bhagavad Gita for that matter. That whole "flood" thing was intended to wipe them and their depredations off the face of the Earth, and did for the most part.
“The alignment of the pyramids is nothing a reasonably clever boy scout couldn’t manage”
So a Boy Scout, in the middle of a desert, with nothing more than sticks, strings and so on could not only align a huge structure to the then north pole within one degree of accuracy, but also choose the site so than it actually was smack dab in the middle of the land mass of the entire Earth?
Just asking...
I actually enjoy some of the more mystery oriented shows on The History Channel. And, other programming such as Ice Road Truckers is a blast, and so is Madhouse.
When it first came on, I couldn’t quite decide whether to call it the Airplane Channel or the Hitler Channel, as that seemed to be the preponderance of their early programming.
This is more interesting. Is it pure history? No, but it’s rooted historically.
To each his own on matters of interest and I do enjoy history.
However, thanks to the Discovery Channel and other sources, I am becoming hooked on PRE-history
When I saw that the Great Pyramid’s has 8 sides not 4, and that design and structure codified the speed of light (and the mass of the earth, distance to the moon, location of Neptune and Pluto, etc and etc)- and that the Great Sphinx showed signs of ancient water erosion- among other marvels- I got hooked. Of course it helped that I have been to visit both.
But now Puma Punku? Never even heard of it! But wow.
“Light Speed in Stone”
The Great Pyramid’s location (Northern Latitude) and slope angle correspond to the speed of light.
The list of utterly remarkable and mind boggling cosmic associations contained in The Great Pyramid is virtually endless. I have only cited a few of the associations that have interested me and a few that I have discovered myself. - i.e. The UNIQUE slope angle of The Great Pyramid is 51° 51’ (Note: In 1837 Egyptologist Howard Vyse found two of the original side casing blocks at the base of the pyramid, 5 ft x 8 ft x 12 ft, with an angle of 51 degrees, 51 minutes cut on one of the 12 ft. sides).
Well, 51 degrees 51 minutes = 186,600 arc seconds which approximates our present measurement of the maximum speed of light in MILES per second (186282.397) with a margin of error (who’s error?) of 17 / 10,000th or 317 miles-per-second.
The Great Pyramid also sits at the Northern Latitude of 29.97697709832755. Commentators have said that The Great Pyramid was built where it stands because there is underlying bedrock capable of supporting its enormous weight and other nearby locations could not support the weight of The Great Pyramid. I believe that the “underlying bedrock” is not a naturally occurring geologic formation.
Why? Because: 29.97697709832755 (Northern Latitude) ‘mirrors’ (is 1/10 millionth of) the ‘speed of light’ in meters per second! And within 14 miles per second of our present calculation of the speed of light in ‘meters per second’ which is (299,792,458 meters per second).
The Great Pyramid: the Elephant in the Room
http://www.templeofsolomon.org/pyramid.htg/Great.Pyramid.htm
From the surface of the Earth, the Sun and the Moon appear to be identical in size. According to the modern cosmology, this is merely coincidence. As recently as the seventeenth century, the balance between the two primary heavenly bodies was widely accepted as proof of the perfection of creation.
The size of the Moon compared to the Earth is three to eleven, 3:11, to 99.9% accuracy. What this means is that if you pull the Moon down to the Earth, then the circle through the center of the heavenly Moon will have a circumference equal to the perimeter of a square enclosing the Earth. The ancient originators of the foot and the mile would appear to have known about this, and hidden it in the definition each, which seem to have been chosen with extraordinary care:
Radius of Moon - 1,080 miles, = 3 x 360
Diameter of Moon - 2,180 miles, = 6 x 360 = 18 x 1 x 2 x 3 x 4 x 5
Radius of Earth - 3,960 miles, = 11 x 360 = 33 x 1 x 2 x 3 x 4 x 5
Radius of Earth + Radius of Moon - 5,040 miles, = 1 x 2 x 3 x 4 x 5 x 6 x 7 = 7 x 8 x 9 x 10
Diameter of Earth - 7,920 miles, = 8 x 9 x 10 x 11
There are 5,280 feet in a mile, = (10 x 11 x 12 x 13) - (9 x 10 x 11 x 12)
The Earth-Moon proportion is also echoed to a surprisingly precise degree by our two planetary neighbors, Venus and Mars. The closest:farthest distance ratio that each experiences of the other is, again, three to eleven, 3:11, to 99.9% accuracy. We orbit between them.
3:11 expressed in percentages is 27.3%. The Moon orbits the Earth every 27.3 days, also the average rotation period of a Sunspot.
Credit where credit is due department: much of the above, from the third paragraph on, is paraphrased from A Little Book of Coincidence, written by John Martineau.
Just how tough would it be to pile a bunch of rocks on a predetermined plot? The use of a standard unit of measure for both raw length and also for the diameter of a measuring wheel inculcates pi into the structure all over the place even if they had no understanding of the ratio. The belt of Orion is an impressive sight in the desert night sky without any competing lights so the use of that alignment for the layout of the pyramids is not that complex.
The short version of the refutation is this.Had aliens assisted in the construction of the pyramids, it wouldn't have been so crude and pointless. It would have at least had indoor plumbing, A/C and lights I don't need a 100 million tons rock to point me north and show me pi.
It wasn’t exactly crude before it was stripped of it’s veneer and quite possibly eroded.
Think of it as a structure intended to survive an apocalypse, and you’d be getting there, imho. An ark of a different sort, from a different people.
There has been religious or mystical significance attributed to numerous structures, as far as the proportions and angles used, even the specific locations. In the instance of certain cathedrals, there is even documentation of intent, as far as these considerations and their inclusion in the structure.
There is no reason to dismiss this habit of ancient standing with those pyramids, with such an obviously intentional grandeur. We may not understand fully the significance to their builders, but significant they clearly were. Pyramids in southern Mexico and Central America are ideally sited for astronomical observation. No controversy about that deliberateness that I’m aware.
When it was first opened, via a crude tunnel into the still sealed Great Pyramid in the 7th century, there was nothing in it - no more than there is now -— the Caliph was greatly disappointed.
Center landmass -— lay the Earth's landmasses out as a continuous strip - Giza is in the exact middle -— coincidence?
I simply believe there were other advanced cultures long before the Egyptians — take the Pyramid in South America (Peru I think) which is still larger and much older.
Puma Punku is a totally inexplicable ruin.
Maybe the putative aliens were us from a time and civilization before the eruption of Mt Toba? Or maybe from one which arose after Toba, but before the glacial melts began at the end of the Ice Age?
Watch this guy handle very heavy stones all by himself. He s been building a stonehenge by himself.
BTW could your mythical Boy Scout calculate all of this and incorporate it into a stone structure?
General:
The pyramid is estimated to have about 2,300,000 stone blocks weighing from 2-30 Tons each with some weighing as much as 70 tons.
There is so much stone mass in the pyramid that the interior temperature is constant and equals the average temperature of the earth, 20 Degrees Celsius (68 Degrees Fahrenheit).
Two types of limestone were used for construction. A soft limestone either pure or nummulitic was used for the bulk of the core blocks and a hard white limestone for the mantle. Hard limestone becomes more polished with age.
The base of the pyramid covers 55,000m2 (592,000 ft2) with each side greater than 20,000m2 (218,000 ft2) in area.
The outer mantle was composed of 144,000 casing stones, all highly polished and flat to an accuracy of 1/100th of an inch, about 100 inches thick and weighing about 15 tons each.
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The average casing stone on the lowest level was 5 ft. long by 5 ft. high by 6 ft. deep and weighed 15 tons.
The mortar used is of an unknown origin. It has been analyzed and its chemical composition is known but it can’t be reproduced. It is stronger than the stone and still holding up today.
The cornerstone foundations of the pyramid have ball and socket construction capable of dealing with heat expansion and earthquakes.
There are no hieroglyphics or writing in the Great Pyramid.
With the mantle in place, the Great Pyramid could be seen from the mountains in Israel and probably the moon as well.
Its polished surfaces would have reflected light like a beacon.
Aligned True North: The Great Pyramid is the most accurately aligned structure in existence and faces true north with only 3/60th of a degree of error. The position of the North Pole moves over time and the pyramid was exactly aligned at one time.
Centre of Land Mass: The Great Pyramid is located at the centre of the land mass of the earth. The east/west parallel that crosses the most land and the north/south meridian that crosses the most land intersect in two places on the earth, one in the ocean and the other at the Great Pyramid.
The relationship between Pi (p) and Phi (F) is expressed in the fundamental proportions of the Great Pyramid.
Numbers of relevance:
The length of a base is 9131 Pyramid Inches from corner to corner in a straight line.
The length of a base side at the base socket level is 9,131 Pyramid Inches or 365.24 Pyramid Cubits.
The length of a base side at sidereal socket level is 9,131.4 Pyramid Inches or 365.256 Pyramid Cubits.
The length of the perimeter at the sidereal socket level is 36,525.63629 Pyramid Inches.
The perfect formula height of the pyramid including the missing apex is 5 813.2355653763 Pyramid Inches, calculated from perimeter of base divided by 2 Pyramid Inches.
The height to the missing apex is 5,812.98 Pyramid Inches.
The volume of the pyramid is: V = 1/3 base area x height = 161,559,817,000 cubic Pyramid Inches = 10,339,828.3 cubic Pyramid Cubits. [(5,813.2355653 Pyramid Inches)/3 * 9 131 Pyramid Inches * 9 131 Pyramid Inches]
Precision of engineering:
The four faces of the pyramid are slightly concave, the only pyramid to have been built this way.
The centres of the four sides are indented with an extraordinary degree of precision forming the only 8 sided pyramid.
The effect is not visible from the ground or from a distance but only from the air, and then only under the proper lighting conditions.
The granite coffer in the “King’s Chamber” is too big to fit through the passages and so it must have been put in place during construction.
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Microscopic analysis of the coffer reveals that it was made with a fixed point drill that used hard jewel bits and a drilling force of 2 tons.
The coffer was sawn out of a block of solid granite. This would have required bronze saws 8-9 ft. long set with teeth of sapphires. Hollowing out of the interior would require tubular drills of the same material applied with a tremendous vertical force.
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The Great Pyramid had a swivel door entrance at one time. Swivel doors were found in only two other pyramids: Khufu’s father and grandfather, Sneferu and Huni, respectively.
It is reported that when the pyramid was first broken into that the swivel door, weighing some 20 tons, was so well balanced that it could be opened by pushing out from the inside with only minimal force, but when closed, was so perfect a fit that it could scarcely be detected and there was not enough crack or crevice around the edges to gain a grasp from the outside.
If the height of the pyramid is taken as the radius of a circle, then the circumference of this circle is the same as the perimeter of the base. This provided the complimentary squaring of a circle and circling of a square. The key to this relationship is knowledge of the value of Pi and designing the angle of the pyramid to be exactly 51 degrees, 51 minutes, and 14.3 seconds.
Embedded Constants:
Tropical Year or Calendar Year: The length of a base side is 9,131 Pyramid Inches measured at the mean socket level, or 365.24 Pyramid Cubits, which is the number of days in a year [9,131/25 = 365.24, accurate to 5 digits]. The perimeter of the base divided by 100 = 365.24, the number of days in a year. [9 131 Pyramid Inches * 4 / 100, accurate to 5 digits]
Tropical Year: The length of the Antechamber used as the diameter of a circle produces a circumference of 365.242 (accurate to 6 digits).
Tropical Year: The ratio of the lengths of the Grand Gallery to the solid diagonal of the King’s Chamber times 100 equals the number of days in a tropical year. [(1,881.5985600 / 51.516461) * 100 = 365.242200, accurate to 8 digits]
Sidereal Year: The length of the antechamber of the King’s Chamber times Pi = length of a sidereal year [116.26471 Pyramid Inches * 3.14159 = 365.25636 days, accurate to 8 digits]
Sidereal Year: The length of a base side at sidereal socket level is 365.256 Pyramid Cubits. [accurate to 6 digits]
Mean Distance to the Sun: Half of the length of the diagonal of the base times 10^6 = average distance to the sun
Mean Distance to Sun: The height of the pyramid times 10^9 represents the mean radius of the earth’s orbit around the sun, or Astronomical Unit (AU). [5,813.235565376 Pyramid Inches x 10^9 = 91,848,816.9 miles]
Mean Distance to Moon: The length of the Jubilee passage times 7 times 10^7 is the mean distance to the moon. [215.973053 Pyramid Inches * 7 * 10^7 = 1.5118e10 Pyramid Inches = 238,865 miles]
Sun’s Radius: Twice the perimeter of the bottom of the granite coffer times 10^8 is the sun’s mean radius. [270.45378502 Pyramid Inches* 10^8 = 427,316 miles]
Earth’s Polar Radius: The Sacred Cubit times 10^7 = polar radius of the earth (distance from North Pole to earth’s centre) [25 Pyramid Inches * 10^7 * (1.001081 in / 1 Pyramid Inches) * (1 ft / 12 in) * (1 mi/ 5280 ft) = 3,950 miles]
Earth’s Polar Radius: The Pyramid embodies a scale ratio of 1/43,200. The height * 43200 = 3,938.685 miles, which is the polar radius of the earth to within 11 mi.
Radius of the Earth: The curvature designed into the faces of the pyramid exactly matches the radius of the earth.
Equatorial Circumference of the Earth: The Pyramid embodies a scale ratio of 1/43,200. The perimeter of the base * 43,200 = 24,734.94 miles, which is within 170 miles of the equatorial circumference of the earth.
Earth’s Volume: The product of the pyramid’s volume and density times 10^15 equals the ratio of volume to density of the earth. [10,339,823.3 cubic cubits * 0.4078994 * 10^15 = 4.21760772 x 10^21 cubic cubits = 259.93 x 10^9 cubic miles]
Earth’s Mass: Mass of the pyramid = volume * density = 10,339,823.3 cubic cubits * 0.4078994 earth density = 4,217,497. The mass converted to pyramid tons = 4,217,607.72 * 1.25 = 5,272,010 pyramid tons. Since the mean density of the earth was defined as 1.0, then the mass of the earth is 10^15 times the mass in pyramid tons = 5.272 x 10^21 pyramid tons = 5.99 x 10^24 Kg
Speed of Earth around the Sun: The Pyramid Inch times 10^8 = the speed of the earth around the sun, circa 2600 BCE
Mass of the Earth: The weight of the pyramid is estimated at 5,955,000 tons. Multiplied by 10^8 gives a reasonable estimate of the earth’s mass.
Average Land Height: The average height of land above sea level for the earth is 5,449 inches. This is also the height of the pyramid.
The Light Equation: The height of the Great Pyramid, minus the height of the capstone represents one millionth the time it takes light to travel the mean radius of the earth’s orbit around the sun (1 astronomical unit) using 1 Pyramid Inch equals 24 hours (mean solar day). [(5,813.2355653 - 103.0369176) /
10^6 = .0057101986+ days = 493.36116 seconds = 8 minutes, 13.36 seconds]
The Velocity of Light: With distance of one A.U. known and the transit time of light for this same distance the velocity of light can be found. [91,848,816.9 miles / 493.36+ seconds = 186,169.5 miles/sec]
The Sun’s Parallax: The size of the earth as viewed from the Sun and expressed as an angle and generally taken to be 1/2 the diameter at the equator (Solar Equatorial Parallax) is 8.9008091 seconds of arc using 91848,817 miles as the mean distance to the sun and 3,963.4914 miles as the equatorial radius. The distance between the mean socket level and the height of the leveled bedrock is 8.9008 Pyramid Inches.
Astronomical:
The Descending Passage pointed to the pole star Alpha Draconis, circa 2170-2144 BCE. This was the North Star at that point in time. No other star has aligned with the passage since then.
The 344ft length of the Descending Passage provides an angle of view of only +/- 1/3 of a degree. Alpha Draconis has not been in alignment for thousands of years. The next alignment will be with the North Star, Polaris, in about 2004 CE. Polaris in Greek means “Satan”.
The southern shaft in the King’s Chamber (45 deg, 00 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Al Nitak (Zeta Orionis) in the constellation Orion, circa 2450 BCE The Orion constellation was associated with the Egyptian god Osiris. No other star aligned with this shaft during that Epoch.
The northern shaft in the King’s Chamber (32 deg, 28 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Alpha Draconis, circa 2450 BCE
The southern shaft in the Queen’s Chamber (39 deg, 30 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Sirius, circa 2450 BCE Sirius was associated with the Egyptian goddess Isis and is also part of a unique ceremony practiced by the African Dogon tribe.
The northern shaft in the Queen’s Chamber (39 deg, 00 min, 00 sec) pointed to the star Ursa Minor, circa 2450 BCE
Pyramids mirror Orion Constellation: The pyramid positions on the ground are a reflection of the positions of the stars in the constellation Orion circa 10400BCE Five of the 7 brightest stars have pyramid equivalents: The 3 great pyramids of Khufu, Khafra, and Menkaura for the belt of Orion, the pyramid of Nebka at Abu Rawash corresponds to the star Saiph, the pyramid at Zawat al Aryan corresponds to the star Bellatrix. The only two missing star positions are for Betelgeuse and Rigel.
Marks Spring Equinox: Due to the angle of the sides of the pyramid vs. its latitude, it casts no shadow at noon during the spring equinox.
Precession of the Equinoxes: The sum of the pyramid’s two base diagonals in Pyramid Inches = length of the Precession of the Equinoxes (25,827 years)
Precession of the Equinoxes: The distance from the ceiling of the King’s Chamber to the apex of the pyramid = 4,110.5 Pyramid Inches. Which is the radius of a circle whose circumference = the precession of the equinoxes. [4,110.5 * 2 * Pyramid Inches = 25,827]
Precession of the Equinoxes: The perimeter of the 35th course of blocks, which is much thicker than any of the other courses, gives a figure for the precession of the equinoxes.
Units of Measurement:
The Pyramid Inch (PI) = 1.0011 present inches, and 1.0010846752 British Inches.
The Pyramid Cubit or Sacred Cubit = 25 pyramid inches.
How would the Egyptians know just where to build so that New York would be at this precise distance each way??
According to some here, they must have been sort of like Egyptian Boy Scouts... that would explain everything, right? Right?
“Nothing more.” He said...
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Thanks Las Vegas Dave.According to ancient alien theorists, extraterrestrials with superior knowledge of science and engineering landed on Earth thousands of years ago, sharing their expertise with early civilizations and forever changing the course of human history. But how did this concept develop, and is there any evidence to support it?I would take a stab at it, but there's over 700 people who may want to comment, so... |
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The problem is in thinking that the “ancient aliens” came here from cosmic distances. Anybody who’s been keeping up with Mars images over the last dozen years knows that is not the case.
A slightly different take on the subject:
UFOs the Final Answer
http://www.amazon.com/Ufos-Final-Answer-David-Barclay/dp/0760703051/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1256265493&sr=1-1
Aliens: The Final Answer? a UFO Cosmology for the 21st Century
http://www.amazon.com/Aliens-Final-Answer-Cosmology-Century/dp/0713724986
David Icke & the Reptilians
http://www.davidicke.com/
What the hell is a Pyramid Inch and how does that that relate to a standard unit of measurement?
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