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The clock is run out. The time is now. Conservatives must unite immediately to save Indiana.
Red State ^ | 04/16/10 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 04/16/2010 12:15:16 PM PDT by American Dream 246

Time’s up conservatives. We must now unite and we must now rally to save Indiana from the Democrats. The time is now. There can be no more waiting.

For months conservatives have sat on the sidelines in the Indiana Senate race. The NRSC dragged former Senator Dan Coats from North Carolina to Indiana and put him into the race. They said he would be warmly re-embraced by the Indiana conservative grassroots. They said he could raise between $500,000.00 and a million dollars. They said he was a perfect fit.

Now, like in Florida, we must save the NRSC from itself and save Indiana from the Democrats.

No more sitting on the sidelines. The numbers are in. Coats is not raising the money they said he could raise. He’s not even close to the low ball expectation others set for him. He is not getting the grassroots support they said he could get. He is going to lose the NRA endorsement to the Democrat more likely than not.

Conservatives nationally must drop what they are doing, focus on Indiana, and rally to Marlin Stutzman. The election is 19 days away.

Across Indiana, Marlin Stutzman is gaining traction. He is winning straw poll after straw poll. He is raising money. He is getting endorsements across the state from legislators, pro-life groups, farmers — real people in Indiana and experienced Republicans.

The conservative grassroots in Indiana have made the call — not me, not national leaders. It is time to rally to them. I stepped up. I made the call to go with Marlin Stutzman when others were telling me to go with Coats.

I’ve prayed for him. I’ve given him money. I’ve spent my time pounding the keys on my keyboard for him. It is your turn.

Get up conservatives. Get up and fire up. We must unite. We must do it now. There is no time left. The primary is on the horizon, just 19 days away on May 4, 2010.

Stop dithering. Stop debating. Stop waiting for Coats to deliver what the NRSC said he would deliver and that we now know he cannot.

Go with Marlin Stutzman. He will not disappoint you. Let’s help him and together put Indiana in the GOP column come November. Coats cannot win. Marlin Stutzman can and will.

I aim to win. I hope conservatives nationally will aim to win too.


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To: unspun
Richard Behney by a hundered miles is the best candidate. Here's why:

1) He's not a career politician. He owns a plumbing business, a founder of the local Tea Party, went into politics to try and clean up the corruption in Washington. He's one of US. That's a darn good reason alone to support him right there. Watch these videos In them he explains why he got involved in the Tea Parties and why he decided to run for Senate.

2) He wants to completely slash federal spending.

3) Government run healthcare? Behney plans to repeal it.

4) Amnesty - he's against it and wants to seal the borders.

5) Cap and trade - HELL NO!

6) He plans to (if elected) immediately initiate a senate bill instituting TERM LIMITS for Congress. Then plans to leave Washington when his term is over -- no career politicans.

7) He's solidly pro-life and a solid Christian man.

8) He wants 2nd amendment protections.

9) Strong National Security.

10) Limited Government, a return to CONSTITUTIONAL governance as given to us by our founders.

Those are just the top 10 for me. The man is a solid conservative in every area.

All the other candidates running are all politicians, with the exception of Bates. Bates is another businessman, and while both Hostettler and Bates are good solid conservatives -- none of them are planning to inititate term limits legislation -- that's a #1 important issue IMO.

Stutzman voted for a large Indiana tax increase I'm still ticked off about, and he's for amnesty, and he is wishy washy on promising to repeal healthcare, can't trust him. BIG NO NO'S.

richardbehney.com

41 posted on 04/16/2010 3:49:40 PM PDT by conservativegramma (If Congress refuses to listen, its taxation without representation all over again)
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To: american_ranger

Thanks, that’s good to know. More information than I currently have.


42 posted on 04/16/2010 4:18:10 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (I won't be happy until Jet-A is less than $2.00 a gallon)
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To: ducttape45

We certainly don’t want any wobbly RINOs. I will keep watching this.


43 posted on 04/16/2010 4:18:56 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (I won't be happy until Jet-A is less than $2.00 a gallon)
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To: conservativegramma

Thanks for the information on Richard Behney.


44 posted on 04/16/2010 7:24:54 PM PDT by unspun (PRAY & WORK FOR FREEDOM - investigatingobama.blogspot.com)
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To: unspun

No Problem. Don’t know if he has a chance or not, he’s not being supported at all by the state GOP, and he’s been short of funds. But he’s got my vote in a couple of weeks.


45 posted on 04/16/2010 8:51:29 PM PDT by conservativegramma (If Congress refuses to listen, its taxation without representation all over again)
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To: kabar

When John Hostettler signs a pledge to do as you say, I might believe him. Until then, he doesn’t get my vote.


46 posted on 04/17/2010 6:46:06 AM PDT by ducttape45
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To: kabar

I don’t see anything on his website concerning this matter. I will continue to search.


47 posted on 04/17/2010 6:46:44 AM PDT by ducttape45
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To: ducttape45

He doesn’t need to sign a pledge. Check his website and what he has been saying. He wants to repeal Obamacare period. You are making up a phony strawman. What other pledges do all of the candidates have to sign?


48 posted on 04/17/2010 7:00:06 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ducttape45
As Indiana’s next senator, John will oppose any expansion of the federal government into our health care system and work to repeal any such expansion that may happen this year as a result of the enactment of ObamaCare.

He can't be more clear than that.

49 posted on 04/17/2010 7:02:35 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

How much did Obama promise and put on his website just to get elected? Politicians promise things and campaign on things they have no intention of actually ‘doing’.

Hostettler is another politician. What he promises sounds good but will he actually do what he says he will is the million dollar question, or will he reneg on them? Because this is commonplace with politicians.......its their RECORD that counts.

This is why Behney has my vote.....he’s not a career politician.

Don’t get me wrong, should Hostettler win, I will give him 100% support come November, but my first choice is Behney.


50 posted on 04/17/2010 11:49:16 AM PDT by conservativegramma (If Congress refuses to listen, its taxation without representation all over again)
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To: conservativegramma
I know Hostettler personally. He is a good man and an authentic conservative. His stance on immigration, my issue as a grassroots activist, is superb. He, Steve King, Tom Tancredo and Virgil Goode were/are the best in Congress on the issue.

If you take a look at Hostettler's voting record, you will see that he is a man of his word. How does Behney plan of dealing with the 12 to 20 million illegals already here?

51 posted on 04/17/2010 1:09:21 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
I know Hostettler personally. He is a good man and an authentic conservative.

Didn't say he wasn't. But he's still a career politician.

His stance on immigration......is superb.

Didn't say it wasn't. So is Behney's.

This comes down to term limits and getting rid of the corruption in Washington which is the elimination of CAREER POLITICIANS. That's IT in a nutshell for me.

Like I said, should Hostettler win - I will support him in November.

52 posted on 04/17/2010 1:54:10 PM PDT by conservativegramma (If Congress refuses to listen, its taxation without representation all over again)
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To: conservativegramma
Pretty good, but he did not say specifically how he would deal with the illegal aliens already here. I would have loved to hear him say that he favors attrition thru enforcement. Here is the pledge that we have asked candidates to make:

“I pledge to oppose amnesty or any other special path to citizenship for the millions of foreign nationals unlawfully present in the United States. As a member of Congress, I will support the full implementation of enforcement measures that, over time, will lead to the attrition of our illegal immigrant population. I also pledge to make security of our borders a top priority.”

Specifically this pledge means that:

1. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens now here will have to go home.

2. They will not receive any legal status while here that allows them to remain long-term.

3. Once in their home countries, they may apply for re-admittance to the U.S. as immigrants, visitors or temporary workers through normal channels.

4. But they will not receive any special privileges on the basis of their having been in the U.S. illegally, such as being put to the front of a line.

5. There will be no new categories or programs through which they may re-enter.

6. There will not be an expansion of green cards in any existing categories that will speed up their movement to the front of the line.

Do you think Behney would be willing to sign such a pledge?

53 posted on 04/17/2010 2:27:37 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Yes I do. He already said he wants to enforce existing laws which currently aren’t being enforced (looking at those laws tells you the specifics), and he has said he favors doing whatever he can to work with those in law enforcement and other agencies to get this under control.

Can you go to Hostettler and ask him to sign a pledge that he will initiate legislation for term limits? Will he sign a pledge that once he serves his term he will come home back to the private sector? Will he sign a pledge that he will do whatever he can to end lobbying jobs for ‘retired’ congressmen? Will he sign a pledge that he will do what he can to eliminate congressional ‘perks’ such as lifetime retirement packages, benefits, etc. etc. that no one else in the private sector ever sees?

You see both Behney and Hostettler are walking the same path on 99.9% of the conservative issues, they are like minded on 99.9% of these issues. Arguing over issues is like comparing a mcintosh to an jonathan apple - they are both apples.

The distinction between Behney and Hostettler comes down to the career politician issue. I’ve had a bellyful of career politicians after seeing my liberty and healthcare destroyed. I want a return to constitutional government as envisioned and given to us by our founders.

You may not be old enough to remember when Richard Lugar first ran for the Senate but I do. Do you know that he campaigned on the idea that congressmen spend too many years in Congress and lose touch with their constituents? This was in the election year 1976 and his opponent was Vance Hartke. Hartke had been in the Senate since 1959, or at the time 17 years. Lugar himself has now been in the Senate 34 years, twice the amount of time he beat up Hartke with. Why do I bring that up? Because Lugar became what he opposed. When he first went to the Senate in January 1977, he was a good guy, solid conservative and listened to the people of Indiana. Overtime, Washington changed him. He became increasingly more elitist, more distant, and more liberal.

If I have 2 solid conservatives to vote for, but if one of them is out to end this cyle of career politicians by doing whatever he can to initiate legislation for term limits than that’s my guy. He may change as did Lugar, but I have to at least give him a chance. But one thing I do know, if I have a choice against a career politician conservative or a fight for term limits conservative I’m voting for the 2nd guy.


54 posted on 04/17/2010 3:02:02 PM PDT by conservativegramma (If Congress refuses to listen, its taxation without representation all over again)
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To: kabar; american_ranger
Oh and 1 more thing I forgot to mention which goes back to ranger's Post #40.

Any state congressman that says "he works for the government" is a huge red flag in my book that he will NOT work for a restored constitutional government as given to us by our founders.

He doesn't work for the government - HE WORKS FOR US!

HUGE MISTAKE

55 posted on 04/17/2010 3:12:45 PM PDT by conservativegramma (If Congress refuses to listen, its taxation without representation all over again)
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To: conservativegramma
Yes I do. He already said he wants to enforce existing laws which currently aren’t being enforced (looking at those laws tells you the specifics), and he has said he favors doing whatever he can to work with those in law enforcement and other agencies to get this under control.

The litmus test is always what will you with the 12 to 20 million already here. Once they start talking about paying a fine, learning English, and getting to the back of the line, this is amnesty. Even McCain said his bill was not an amnesty. Your guy has not said specifically how he will treat those already here illegally. Hence the pledge.

Can you go to Hostettler and ask him to sign a pledge that he will initiate legislation for term limits? Will he sign a pledge that once he serves his term he will come home back to the private sector? Will he sign a pledge that he will do whatever he can to end lobbying jobs for ‘retired’ congressmen? Will he sign a pledge that he will do what he can to eliminate congressional ‘perks’ such as lifetime retirement packages, benefits, etc. etc. that no one else in the private sector ever sees?

Term limits is not the same issue for me that it is for you. Has your guy signed such a pledge. Once these "non-politicians" get to DC, their tune changes. They are like babes in the woods who get intoxicated with the heady atmospshere of being at the center of the universe.

You see both Behney and Hostettler are walking the same path on 99.9% of the conservative issues, they are like minded on 99.9% of these issues. Arguing over issues is like comparing a mcintosh to an jonathan apple - they are both apples.

Not for me. Amnesty is the poisoned apple. It will destroy this country with the stroke of a pen. Moreover, if we don't change our current legal immigration policies, it will just be amnesty in slow motion as it has been since the 1965 Immigration Act, which has changed the demographics of this country forever.

The distinction between Behney and Hostettler comes down to the career politician issue. I’ve had a bellyful of career politicians after seeing my liberty and healthcare destroyed. I want a return to constitutional government as envisioned and given to us by our founders.

How do you define career politician? Does having served 12 years in Congress make you a career politician? Hostettler was a power plant performance engineer with Southern Indiana Gas & Electric Company for more than 12 years before running for Congress.

Congress will never pass a term limits bill. And there is no guarantee that your guy will quit if he is elected after one or two terms.

You may not be old enough to remember when Richard Lugar first ran for the Senate but I do. Do you know that he campaigned on the idea that congressmen spend too many years in Congress and lose touch with their constituents? This was in the election year 1976 and his opponent was Vance Hartke. Hartke had been in the Senate since 1959, or at the time 17 years. Lugar himself has now been in the Senate 34 years, twice the amount of time he beat up Hartke with. Why do I bring that up? Because Lugar became what he opposed. When he first went to the Senate in January 1977, he was a good guy, solid conservative and listened to the people of Indiana. Overtime, Washington changed him. He became increasingly more elitist, more distant, and more liberal.

I am 67. Lugar is really not an exception in that regard. Very few can resist the influence of power. I lobby on the Hill. Congressmen have huge egos and Senators are even worse. The trappings of power exude from the offices and buildings. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

If I have 2 solid conservatives to vote for, but if one of them is out to end this cyle of career politicians by doing whatever he can to initiate legislation for term limits than that’s my guy. He may change as did Lugar, but I have to at least give him a chance. But one thing I do know, if I have a choice against a career politician conservative or a fight for term limits conservative I’m voting for the 2nd guy.

I can't vote in Indiana. I will say that based on my personal interaction with Hostettler, he is a good and decent guy who is down to earth and does not have an inflated opinion of himself.

56 posted on 04/17/2010 3:32:48 PM PDT by kabar
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To: conservativegramma
I take what ranger says with a grain of salt. Calling Hostettler a RINO is just plain nonsense and verifiably wrong. You just have to review his voting record to see how conservative he is. His lifetime ACU rating is nearly 90.

Did Hostettler really say that he worked for the government? I think that deserves a fact check before taking it as gospel. It seems out of character for the person I know.

57 posted on 04/17/2010 3:43:18 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

Amnesty is important to me too. But I’ve listened to Behney and he is as opposed to it as Hostettler says he is.

While career politicans and term limits is apparently not an important issue to you it is #1 with me.

All the other issues will be meaningless if we do not get our constitutional government back. That is THE top priority. And your answers in the above posts make it clear Hostettler is not firm on that issue. That settles it for me. Thanks.


58 posted on 04/17/2010 3:57:25 PM PDT by conservativegramma (If Congress refuses to listen, its taxation without representation all over again)
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To: conservativegramma
Amnesty is important to me too. But I’ve listened to Behney and he is as opposed to it as Hostettler says he is.

As someone who is very involved in this issue and understands the Orwellian use of language to disguise what politicians really mean, Behney has not fully disclosed where he stands on the issue. I know where Hostettler stands on the issue because my group and I have met with him on it. If you get a chance, ask Behney how he proposes we deal with the 12 to 20 million illegals currently in the country. That is the real question.

While career politicans and term limits is apparently not an important issue to you it is #1 with me.

Agree. I believe there are two thing that can destroy this county--amnesty and the entitlement programs--and they are related. Career politicians may contribute to our inaction on issues, but I blame the public just as much for electing them. Most of the American public are uninformed and unengaged. We deserve the government we have.

All the other issues will be meaningless if we do not get our constitutional government back. That is THE top priority. And your answers in the above posts make it clear Hostettler is not firm on that issue. That settles it for me. Thanks.

LOL. You lost me on that one. Go to his website and the top banner and you will find among other things, the following: Restoring Our Constitution -- Solving today’s difficult problems can be achieved using the clear solutions given by America’s founders.

I can't and am not trying to change your mind. It is not fair to diminish John in order to support your candidate. From what I have read about him, he seems like a fine conservative. I do have some reservations about where he stands on immigration and amnesty, which I don't have about John.

Immigration, legal and illegal, has had and will continue to have a major and far-reaching impact across a broad spectrum of existential challenges that confront this nation, e.g., national security, the economy/global competitiveness, jobs, health care, taxes, energy independence, education, entitlement reform, law enforcement, social welfare programs, physical infrastructure, the environment, civil liberties, and a continued sense of national identity/shared sense of endeavor. Immigration policy is the defining issue of our time with enormous implications for the future of this nation and the preservation of our patrimony.

The U.S. adds one international migrant (net) every 34 seconds. Immigrants account for one in 8 U.S. residents, the highest level in more than 80 years. In 1970 it was one in 21; in 1980 it was one in 16; and in 1990 it was one in 13. In a decade, it will be one in 7, the highest it has been in our history. And by 2050, one in 5 residents of the U.S. will be foreign-born. Currently, 1.6 million legal and illegal immigrants settle in the country each year; 350,000 immigrants leave each year, resulting in a net immigration of 1.25 million. Since 1970, the U.S. population has increased from 203 million to 309 million, i.e., over 100 million. In the next 40 years, the population will increase by 130 million to 439 million. Three-quarters of the increase in our population since 1970 and the projected increase will be the result of immigration.

Immigration is changing the demographics of this country and with it the basic adherence and allegience to the values and vision of our Founders. By 2023 half of the children 18 and under will be minorities as defined by the USG and by 2042 half of the country will be minorities. Can we still maintain a sense of national identity or will we become Balkanized along racial, cultural, linguistic, and ethinic lines?

This is not the same America I grew up in more than 60 years ago. And I grew up in an immigrant neighborhood. Multiculturalism and diversity are hindering assimilation and the huge numbers entering every year of mostly poor and uneducated immigrants are killing us economically. Milton Friedman said, “You cannot simultaneously have free immigration and a welfare state.” We have a welfare state with 53% of immigrant headed families on welfare. They vote mostly for the party of free stuff--the Dems--and they support bigger and bigger government.

59 posted on 04/17/2010 4:47:44 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar
Behney has not fully disclosed where he stands on the issue.

I just happen to respectfully disagree that Behney has not fully disclosed where he stands. He's been quite specific. He has said that he wants to see to it that existing laws are enforced. We already have immigration laws, we don't need new ones which is what you're proposing. What we need is to ENFORCE the ones we already have. Behney has been VERY SPECIFIC on this. If we can't enforce the ones we have NOW, what makes you think we're going to be able to enforce anything new Hostettler comes up with????

Now go look at these existing laws, read them, and then think if these were actually enforced instead of ignored we wouldn't have an illegal problem. And they are very specific so I don't see where you keep saying Behney hasn't been specific.

Many of these laws have heavy fines attached to them on the first offense. Rarely would an illegal have the cash fund to pay any of them if they were actually enforced, they would have no choice but to go home on their own, and fear would be a heavy motivation against hopping across the border if your bank account was wiped clean if you were caught. If the offense is committed a 2nd time - its a felony upon which they are jailed or deported. Enforcement of existing law is the key which we are not doing. Examples:

- It is unlawful for any person to bring aliens into the United States. Fine: $3,000 for each alien (Sec. 273. [8 U.S.C. 1323]) - We aren't currently enforcing any of these fines if they're caught.

- It is unlawful to bring in or harbor illegal aliens. Fine: $3,000 for each alien. (Sec. 273. [8 U.S.C. 1323] ) - we don't enforce the fines again.

- It is unlawful for a person or other entity- to employ or recruit or refer for a fee an illegal alien in the United States. Commercial advantage or private financial gain offender can be fined under title 18, US code, imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both. ...Any person who, during any 12-month period, knowingly hires for employment at least 10 individuals with actual knowledge that the individuals are aliens described in sub paragraph (B) shall be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both. (Sec. 274A. [8 U.S.C. 1324a] ) - If we would just enforce this one simply by making the fine so heavy that an employer would go out of business on the first offense, they would stop. And Behney has promised to legislatively go after offending employers. So yeah, very specific.

Those are just a few examples. If you look at the laws, see where they are not being enforced and start enforcing them the problems are solved. A 2nd area is to cut off all freebies illegals are getting: free medical care, anchor babies, welfare, etc. etc. etc. and Behney has specifically promised to initiate more legislation that puts an end to this practice.

Career politicians may contribute to our inaction on issues, but I blame the public just as much for electing them.

I don't disagree the public has much to blame for their apathy over the past 40 years. BUT, having said that a large number of the public is waking up and are actively engaged in contacting their congresspersons only to be ignored.

Also, I very much disagree with your comment that career politicians 'may' contribute. Bollocks. They are a huge part of the problem. As you yourself put it corruption is rampant in Washington. This is because they are 100% focused on getting re-elected or maintaining their power base instead of listening to their constitutents. You cut off the focus on re-election (because they can't be re-elected) and you cut off the power trip.

In the past few years, the public HAS BEEN engaged, writing letters, phone calls, e-mails, more phone calls. When the congressperson ignores their constituents YOU CANNOT BLAME THE VOTING PUBLIC! Trust me, I have personally sat in Lugar's office and watched his staff field phone calls. During the call they were all polite and oh so encouraging to the calling voter saying they would 'personally' see to it that the Senator heard their concerns, blah blah blah. Upon hanging up the phone the staffers looked at one another, laughed, waded up the paper they had been doodling on and sent it to file 13. Lugar never heard squat even if he wanted to. True story. So tell me again how voters are going to be engaged when we're ignored and mocked???? Career politicians have everything to do with it! Because of this issue and the back room deals, and lobbying, the whole of Washington is a sewer. Term-limits, and an end to lobbying would go a long way to cleaning it up.

LOL. You lost me on that one

You shouldn't have been lost. You admitted that term limits were inconsequential. Only a lobbyist would think they are not important - wrong. If we elect more and more people to congress with Behney's views - it would eventually get passed. It will be hard work but its worth pursuing. I'm not for anyone who takes a dim view of term limits. And I don't care WHAT a campaign website claims about restoring the constitution, its just fluff if you don't go after term limits and endless back room deals and lobbying.

You absolutely lost ME when you admitted to lobbying. That a lobbyist who cannot even vote in Indiana is trying to get a man elected to the U.S. Senate FROM Indiana is another red flag. The only people working to get a man elected to represent Hoosiers should be a voting Hoosier! I see RINO written enough all over the place that I'm beginning to wonder if Hostettler should even be my 2nd choice!

Now with all that said though, remember what I did say in an earlier post: Hostettler is my 2nd choice and if Behney loses and Hostettler wins he will have my support despite all of my concerns. I'll just do a lot of praying that my concerns will be proven wrong.

60 posted on 04/17/2010 6:18:18 PM PDT by conservativegramma (If Congress refuses to listen, its taxation without representation all over again)
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