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Relic poses dilemma for sheriff: What do you do with a WWI machine gun? (IL)
Belleville News-Democrat ^ | 3/23/10 | Staff

Posted on 03/26/2010 9:30:21 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo

Being commander of the Catholic War Veterans Post 370 on Illinois 159 south of Belleville hasn't been particularly trying for Mike Anthony -- until they found the machine gun.

"In January, when they found it, the guys called and said they needed to talk to me," Anthony said. "They showed me what they had. I thought it was a beautiful relic but I wondered what we could do with it."

What they had was a Lewis .30-caliber machine gun, manufactured in 1917 by the Savage Arms Co. in Utica, N.Y., according to markings on the gun.

"It was in the closet where we keep the ceremonial rifles we use for salutes," he said.

A few years ago it had been found in the Quonset hut where the post stores its grass cutting equipment, but was moved inside. After that, apparently everyone assumed it had been gotten rid of.

So Anthony went online and did some research that disturbed him.

"I found out it was illegal to have it," he said. "Not only that but there was a $250,000 fine and 10 years in prison. So I thought, 'Well, it doesn't work but previous cases showed that if it could be made serviceable, you still could get in trouble.'"

Some guys thought maybe they could give it back to the Savage company, which wanted it for its museum. But that isn't legal either.

Instead, Sheriff Mearl Justus was able to take it off their hands, legally. But the sheriff's department's options are limited as well.

"We can register it and keep it, we can send it to Alton to have it melted down or we can give it to the ATF (Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosive) and it will be destroyed," said Sgt. John Fulton, administrative assistant with the St. Clair County Sheriff's Department.

Fulton said the department is trying to figure out what to do with the gun.

"It's a beautiful machine and we don't want to see it destroyed," he said. "It matches with the Tommy gun we have."

That gun was given to the department in 1927 by the local bankers association so the good guys could keep up with the bad guys. It had been locked up in the safe until it was unearthed, cleaned and tested.

Fulton said the Lewis gun is kind of rare.

"We're trying to track down what pieces are missing," he said. "There is supposed to be a round magazine that mounts on it and the wooden stock is damaged.

"We don't know if it is worth restoring or what we should do with it."

Fulton said pictures of the gun are posted on www.flickr.com/photos/thebadge and he is getting some information about the gun from collectors and enthusiasts, but he wonders whether anyone local knows where it came from and how it got to the Catholic War Vets.

"Somebody must know something," he said.


TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: banglist; illinois; lewisgun; machinegun; ww1
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To: married21

21 posted on 03/26/2010 10:18:23 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Enough!)
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To: rickomatic
Not so fast. That would be considered a DEWAT gun, which had to be done prior to 1968. And even then they still had to be registered. That is NOT the same as a "parts kit" where the receiver is actually torch cut into separate pieces. No new DEWAT guns can be made or transferred. There are consequences to stupid laws. According to 1983 feel good legislation that gun falls into a catch 22. It never was registered, and cannot now be registered. Only previously registered existing machine guns (prior to 1983), or newly manufactured class III guns can be transferred. Thanks a lot feds.

The article said the gun didn't work. On further inspection, the Sheriff might find that this is because it was already welded, presumably prior to 1968. Ahem.

22 posted on 03/26/2010 10:19:19 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: rickomatic

THanks for the info.

I don’t even play a gun dealer on TV, nor have I ever stayed at a Holiday Inn.....


23 posted on 03/26/2010 10:46:07 PM PDT by ASOC (In case of attack, tune to 640 kilocycles or 1240 kilocycles on your AM dial.)
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To: calex59
"...They used a lot of them on the bi-planes in WWI. The Lewis gun was well known..."

In the South Pacific, the Navy used them in WW2.

24 posted on 03/26/2010 11:03:40 PM PDT by Does so (ObamaCare...I pay for medical-marijuana claims by millions of Americans? 'Guess I do.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Or they could mount it on the hood of a patrol car and give new meaning to the term “Traffic Stop”.
25 posted on 03/26/2010 11:07:08 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: rickomatic

All (+1934) should be unconstitutional.


26 posted on 03/26/2010 11:10:51 PM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (IN A SMALL TENT WE JUST STAND CLOSER! * IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Does so
In the South Pacific, the Navy used them in WW2.

They were invented BEFORE WWI and yes they were also used, somewhat, in WWII but the browning .30 cal in the water cooled and air cooled versions were used much more extensively. The Lewis gun was far better known in WWI than it ever was in WWII. Plus the article states it was a WWI relic. Some people just like to argue I think.

27 posted on 03/26/2010 11:17:38 PM PDT by calex59
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

If they lived in a country where the foundational law states that “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”, they could raffle it off at $10 a ticket and make enough for a new building or three.

Oh, wait, they do.

But the law-makers and law-enforcers have become law-breakers.

See tag.


28 posted on 03/27/2010 4:56:34 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (When law-makers and law enforcers become law-breakers, the citizens feel free to join in.)
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To: Grizzled Bear

Anyone who advocates the destruction either in whole or part of a weapon like this needs to be deported to homo island!


29 posted on 03/27/2010 7:26:44 AM PDT by Eaker (Where I'm from, "Gang Colors" is Realtree and Mossy Oak. You know what I'm saying hoss. Rule.308.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
What do you do? dumb question


30 posted on 03/27/2010 7:27:57 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (great thing about being a cynic: you can enjoy being proved wrong.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Read the posts. And I’m the first to call “Dibs!!!”


31 posted on 03/27/2010 9:32:28 AM PDT by gundog (Outrage is anger taken by surprise. Nothing these people do surprises me anymore.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Not really either .303 british or 30-06.


32 posted on 03/27/2010 9:54:38 AM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

why cant they just register it then give it to the smithsonian?


33 posted on 03/27/2010 11:44:31 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Montani Semper Liberi)
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To: UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide
All (+1934) should be IS unconstitutional.

There....I fixed it. :)

34 posted on 03/28/2010 10:27:41 PM PDT by rickomatic
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