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Relic poses dilemma for sheriff: What do you do with a WWI machine gun? (IL)
Belleville News-Democrat ^ | 3/23/10 | Staff

Posted on 03/26/2010 9:30:21 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo

Being commander of the Catholic War Veterans Post 370 on Illinois 159 south of Belleville hasn't been particularly trying for Mike Anthony -- until they found the machine gun.

"In January, when they found it, the guys called and said they needed to talk to me," Anthony said. "They showed me what they had. I thought it was a beautiful relic but I wondered what we could do with it."

What they had was a Lewis .30-caliber machine gun, manufactured in 1917 by the Savage Arms Co. in Utica, N.Y., according to markings on the gun.

"It was in the closet where we keep the ceremonial rifles we use for salutes," he said.

A few years ago it had been found in the Quonset hut where the post stores its grass cutting equipment, but was moved inside. After that, apparently everyone assumed it had been gotten rid of.

So Anthony went online and did some research that disturbed him.

"I found out it was illegal to have it," he said. "Not only that but there was a $250,000 fine and 10 years in prison. So I thought, 'Well, it doesn't work but previous cases showed that if it could be made serviceable, you still could get in trouble.'"

Some guys thought maybe they could give it back to the Savage company, which wanted it for its museum. But that isn't legal either.

Instead, Sheriff Mearl Justus was able to take it off their hands, legally. But the sheriff's department's options are limited as well.

"We can register it and keep it, we can send it to Alton to have it melted down or we can give it to the ATF (Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco Firearms and Explosive) and it will be destroyed," said Sgt. John Fulton, administrative assistant with the St. Clair County Sheriff's Department.

Fulton said the department is trying to figure out what to do with the gun.

"It's a beautiful machine and we don't want to see it destroyed," he said. "It matches with the Tommy gun we have."

That gun was given to the department in 1927 by the local bankers association so the good guys could keep up with the bad guys. It had been locked up in the safe until it was unearthed, cleaned and tested.

Fulton said the Lewis gun is kind of rare.

"We're trying to track down what pieces are missing," he said. "There is supposed to be a round magazine that mounts on it and the wooden stock is damaged.

"We don't know if it is worth restoring or what we should do with it."

Fulton said pictures of the gun are posted on www.flickr.com/photos/thebadge and he is getting some information about the gun from collectors and enthusiasts, but he wonders whether anyone local knows where it came from and how it got to the Catholic War Vets.

"Somebody must know something," he said.


TOPICS: History; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: banglist; illinois; lewisgun; machinegun; ww1
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YEAH, BABY!!!!


1 posted on 03/26/2010 9:30:21 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Archangel Gabriel has to stash his equipment somewhere?!


2 posted on 03/26/2010 9:36:32 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I would tell you, but the SS might come looking for me.


3 posted on 03/26/2010 9:36:52 PM PDT by outhousepatrol
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To: outhousepatrol

The NAZI SS.......Oh, we have Nazis here too?


4 posted on 03/26/2010 9:37:43 PM PDT by outhousepatrol
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

$50,000 minimum, though I’m sure ...never mind.


5 posted on 03/26/2010 9:41:57 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck.)
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To: IncPen

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ping


6 posted on 03/26/2010 9:42:40 PM PDT by Nailbiter
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“Sheriff Mearl Justus”

Sweet!


7 posted on 03/26/2010 9:53:05 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Enough!)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Take it to the local shop and have the breach welded.

Now rendered inert, it is perfactly legal to own.


8 posted on 03/26/2010 9:55:14 PM PDT by ASOC (In case of attack, tune to 640 kilocycles or 1240 kilocycles on your AM dial.)
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To: ASOC

It’s Illinois.....

They’ll save millions of lives by putting it through a grinder.


9 posted on 03/26/2010 9:57:49 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Enough!)
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To: ASOC

Those guns have firing pins? Just pop it out!


10 posted on 03/26/2010 9:59:14 PM PDT by djf
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Museums can legally own unregistered Class III firearms so, get it to a museum or, establish a museum to preserve unregistered vet bringbacks and the like.
11 posted on 03/26/2010 9:59:52 PM PDT by fso301
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
What do you do with a WWI machine gun?

Go ammo shopping?

12 posted on 03/26/2010 10:05:24 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

Might be a long search for that round....


13 posted on 03/26/2010 10:07:28 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (Enough!)
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To: djf

I wouldn’t not want to try that with the ATFE (Which should be a party store, not a FedGov agency) - they normally not noted for their sense of humor.

Welding cannot be easily reversed, firing pins OTOH, not so much...


14 posted on 03/26/2010 10:07:37 PM PDT by ASOC (In case of attack, tune to 640 kilocycles or 1240 kilocycles on your AM dial.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Wonder if Snoopy could use it.


15 posted on 03/26/2010 10:09:44 PM PDT by married21
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo; Eaker; Squantos; humblegunner

If it would help the situation, I’m willing to offer a loving, nurturing home.


16 posted on 03/26/2010 10:11:39 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear (Does not play well with others.)
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To: ASOC
Take it to the local shop and have the breach welded. Now rendered inert, it is perfactly legal to own.

Not so fast. That would be considered a DEWAT gun, which had to be done prior to 1968. And even then they still had to be registered. That is NOT the same as a "parts kit" where the receiver is actually torch cut into separate pieces. No new DEWAT guns can be made or transferred. There are consequences to stupid laws. According to 1983 feel good legislation that gun falls into a catch 22. It never was registered, and cannot now be registered. Only previously registered existing machine guns (prior to 1983), or newly manufactured class III guns can be transferred. Thanks a lot feds.
17 posted on 03/26/2010 10:12:24 PM PDT by rickomatic
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To: ASOC

Well, you could pop the pin and weld over the hole.

I’m just saying that with a piece like that it’d be nice to keep it in a shape so that people could still see how the action works.

Weld the whole thing shut and you could probably never get it open again to even oil it!


18 posted on 03/26/2010 10:12:42 PM PDT by djf
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

They used a lot of them on the bi-planes in WWI. The Lewis gun was well known, and I believe it had a penchant for jamming but right now I can’t remember all that much about their peculiarities.


19 posted on 03/26/2010 10:15:34 PM PDT by calex59
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To: calex59

That gun is so old, you could have it shipped right to your front door! ... If you have the $25 federal permit to deal in antique and collectible firearms.


20 posted on 03/26/2010 10:17:55 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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