Posted on 03/23/2010 4:38:26 AM PDT by Philo1962
This is an open letter to those who refused to go out and vote for a RINO on Election Day 2008. You have just given us ObamaCare, which (if it is not stopped) will bankrupt America.
The final House vote tally was 219-211. All of the Republicans in the House of Representatives ― all of them, every last one of them, including all of the RINOs ― voted against this bill. In the Senate, John McCain (another RINO you refused to support in droves) is one of ObamaCare's most vigorous opponents. And all of the Republicans in the Senate ― all of them, every last one of them, including all of the RINOs ― voted against this bill. This confirms what I've been saying all along: that ANY Republican is better than ANY Democrat.
If we had won just four more House races in 2008, the final vote would have been 215-215 and the bill would have failed, despite the last-minute stab in the back by Bart Stupak and eight other Blue Dog Democrats.
In 2008, the ten closest House races were decided by an average margin of only 680 votes. For example, in VA-5 Democrat Tom Perriello defeated Republican Rep. Virgil H. Goode Jr. by only 745 votes. This means that if 2,730 more Republican votes had been tallied in four of these districts in 2008, ObamaCare would have failed in 2010.
And if he had been elected president, John McCain never would have signed this bill.
I'm not saying that we should support RINOs in the primaries. Every effort should be made in the primaries to nominate genuine conservative candidates, with true conservative positions on the issues. But once the die is cast in the primaries, and we're stuck with a RINO nominee, we need to go out and get that RINO elected. We need to donate to his campaign, man phone banks for him, hand out yard signs and bumper stickers for him, and walk the precincts for him.
Because as we have just been reminded, in a way that's too loud and too painful to ignore, ANY Republican is better than ANY Democrat.
I will be supporting Mark Kirk for United States Senate here in Illinois for this reason.
The truth is that Dr. Keyes wasted his time ranting on a national forum about not getting enough time! He has such elegant answers, but his fatal flaw is reactions like that one.
I’m still waiting for the truth (and an apology) about why my name came up with your scheduler last year. If the information you had the rest of the time was as bad as that incident, it’s no wonder your campaign was frustrated.
(I like my tagline. I forget sometimes, but it’s a powerful little sentence.)
You know nothing about me. Our organization was raising a lot of money for Doug Hoffman. I was making phone calls to someone I knew in the Scozzafava campaign, urging her to drop out of the race. Little did I know that when she did it, she'd endorse the Democratic candidate rather than Hoffman.
I do my very best to get conservative candidates on the ticket. And when an opportunity (like Hoffman) presents itself, I'll even go against the republican nominee if a third-party conservative stands a real chance to win.
Tell me about the two house GOP majority who sat on their ass from 194- 2006. Tell me how they couldn't get nothing past because of the DEMs. Really? Then how pray tell did the DEMs do this to us Sunday night with a similar majority? The GOP looses because it has the most pathetic limp wristed two faced wimps leaders like John McCain and the Bush family who REFUSED time and time again to stand their ground. Ronald Wilson Reagan got much of his his agenda through a Dem house and senate and Bush sat there eating bananas sucking his thumb pandering to China and the Sauds who attacked us on 9/11/. Maybe some purity is needed and maybe some spines are needed as well. I demand accountability from those I vote for.
It was John McCain who said Obama would make a good POTUS not me. It was GW Bush who told the Bush Bots he and Mr Gore were not that far apart on most issues.
When Bush spoke the spin in here was astounding. No one read the text because what he was saying was opening the door for DEM abuses. Two things BushBots ran into the ground. One was Reagan's Commandment and the other was lord Bush's you are with us or the terrorist crap. That man used the W.O.T. to try and acquire Fast Track Trade remember it? Where was Bush for 8 solid years? Don't tell me fighting a war. B.S. B.S. B.S. If that simpleton and the GOP was fighting a war where the hell was the needed End Troop Strengths at? Where were they? Where was Bush and Secretary of Defense as well as the GOP when America's finest fighting in our name were facing politically correct Court Martial? WHERE WERE THEY??? After nearly Eight years of war and LBJ rules of engagement under Bush what did it bring us? A mad man POTUS to follow and Clinton judges releasing GITMO prisoners because lord Bush would not time after time again let the military do it's job.
The GOP leadership is as much to blame for Sunday as Nancy, Harry, and Obama. The GOP when in power refused to lead and the nation got it's butt kicked by a party THAT DID NOT GIVE UP. UI despise Harry and Nancy but IF The GOP SML and Speakers of the House had but half of then will Harry and Nancy had a different outcome for our nation may have happened. I want the Circus Tent Freaks who are Liberals in the GOP GONE!
The national health care precedent was set by Good Ole SML Dr Frist. Ole Brainless one all adored as SML. Well I got a news flash for those in awe of him and his so called Medicare reform. The DEMS wrote it. He simply brought in a FAILED PLAN that Dems had put in place for Tennessee's Medicaid system and no one but a few of us said anything. That opened the door for what happened Sunday. Some of us warned this was coming if Frist Medicare reforms passed.
What can you say when some in here still think the sun rises and sets on the likes of Newt and John McCain or even Mitt? Then there was the Fred Thompson worshipers. Fred got bored with being a senator and sold out in his first full term. He did so in the hearings yet some wanted his as POTUS. Fred was a McCains place holder to hold off any opposition to McCain. Fred had no more interest in being GOP choice for POTUS than Hillary Clinton. John McCain next to Rudy was the worse of the worse the GOP ran in 2008. You want to blame anyone? Blame the ones who can't even seem to fart without Rush or Hanity telling them how.
I don't want a perfect POTUS but I want one who will fight and does not have a long standing record of being a DEM LITE. John McCain is for all purposes a DEM who has long voted yes on a lot of their platform. The DEM MEDIA is picking the GOP choices that is the problem. Voters who vote charisma over substance in policy is the problem. Rev Jim Jones had Charisma and people drink his Kool Aide. I don't care what any of the so called talking head radio talk host say. I wish Rush and Hanity would go away so maybe just maybe people would pull their heads out of their sitters and learn to think for themselves before voting. We had several good choices in 2008. The voters let the media dictate who was electable. Shame on the ones who listened to them and drank their kool aide.
But what do you REALLY think?
So, due to your demand for ideological purity, you went against the RINO candidate and supported a third-party spoiler who brought about a Dem victory. Hypocrite much?
I think it's time for truth. I blame ALL who let the media and even so called Conservative Talk Show host convince them John McCain was the man. His record said otherwise. I blame those who Boo Hoo'd when Ted Stevens got tossed and excused away his behavior in the senate trial and votes. The nation will never change till some good old fashioned house cleaning happens within the GOP first. Till then we have one party functionally and two major parties in name only and both are right now Socialist.
Only when he had an excellent chance to win, and his GOP opponent is a complete flaming liberal. In the end, he came within a hair’s breadth of winning. Every rule has its exceptions. Dede Scozzafava was just way too far out there on the left, and Hoffman could have won that race.
Some of the people on this forum would apparently prefer to stay home, or vote for a 3rd party candidate who’s polling at around 1% than vote for a Republican, if the Republican rates below 75% on the American Conservative Union meter.
What you are saying is that it is okay to be sold out — just as long as it is by someone with an R after their name.
The primaries as they stand today are a farce. Correction can only come from changing the primaries to one day for all. Why? Simply this. Many good candidates are forced out because Liberal States with open primaries are holding them as early as Jan 1. My state for example holds it's primaries long after the choice has been declared by more liberal states. Thus in the general because of the GOP choice being unacceptable to conscience I seek an Independent to vote for instead.
The current primaries leaves a far to sizable portion of the voters at the mercy of others and in truth they have no input. It is by no means whatsoever good for Conservatives.
Joe Lieberman is an honorable man. Tom DeLay is human scum.
Is was because of human scum like Tom DeLay that the Independents lost faith in the Republican Party.
Even without the Dems we got Medicare Part D and No Child Left Behind and The Dept. of Homeland Security.
My own take is: Finally! The Dems have turned the heat up too fast too quick. Maybe the frogs will finally jump out of the pot before they boil!
BTW, I voted for John McCain, but in spite of the fact that he was a RINO, but because he is a hero and a decent man.
The Republican Party can go !@$# itself if it believes that a slow boat to socialism is preferable to a fast one.
How could anyone trust the GOP when it continued to make major leadership blunders like making Trent Lott the GOP senate leader again even after they lost the majority due in large part to the likes of one such as himself?
If McCain were POTUS he’d be leading the Rat Pack charge in this even more vigorously than Fancy Nancy. The man is a Rat to the marrow of his bones. He’s doing this only because he lost the election.
And besides, why would anybody assume that the GOP, had they been in the same position, would not have done the same thing or at least something similar? After all, it was a GOP President, Bush II, and a GOP Congress that gave us the Medicare prescription drug program. That was the biggest increase in entitlement spending since LBJ. Clearly, the GOP cannot be trusted with power.
For the record, I held my nose and voted for McCain. I just think it’s naive to think that we’d be in a much different situation if the Rinos were behind the wheel.
The answer was obvious: of course not.
So I went to vote and wrote in "Mickey Mouse" for president.
A much better solution than staying at home.
Republicans had their historic moment in ‘94. They’ve been in power for 14 years. The RINOs were not Interested in purity then and apparently not now. They outspent the democrats. The RINOs blew it. No BS about an ideologically pure candidate. YOU want an ideologically pure voting bloc. One that says screw principles, I want anyone with an R after their name.
Ain’t gonna happen.
It used to be more or less equivalent to "Liberal Republican".
But no longer. Let me concoct a little "parable" here...
Consider two men, both calling themselves Republicans.
The first one leans liberal on many issues, and conservative on many others. The second one leans conservative on all issues.
The first one works hard in the primaries for mushy, partly-conservative candidates, but whenever his choice loses the primary, he works hard in the general election for a victory for the conservative GOP nominee to defeat the Dem.
The second one works hard in the primaries for solid conservative candidates, but whenever they lose a primary, he refuses to lift a hand for, nor to donate a cent to the mushy nominee, but instead tries to convince as many of his fellow conservatives as he can to refuse to vote, or else to vote for some ideologically pure third party candidate who's guaranteed to never break out of single digits, and in many cases not even break into single digits.
Question: Who is the "RINO" in this story?
Answer: It's the second one.
For decades, virtually all of the Republicans who I witnessed publicly stabbing their party in the back (whenever their chosen candidate lost a primary) were liberals. Some went so far as to pay for fullpage ads identifying themselves as Republicans supporting the Dem nominee. And so, for the longest time, I equated "RINO" with "liberal wing of the party".
But bitter experiences in the past 6-8 years with people in my own party who see eye-to-eye with me on all issues yet refuse to help out or even vote for a GOP candidate because of some of their stands on issues, finally forced me to rewrite my own personal definition of "RINO".
If you call yourself a Republican and are registered as such, but you don't support a partly-conservative GOP candidate over a 100%-liberal-Dem in the general election, then YOU, my fellow Republican, are the true RINO, and not the part-left/part-right Republican candidate you are pointing your finger at.
And you figured me out by one post. The fact is, this is what is always happening on this website. If I’m arrogant then so is everyone on FR. Which may be true. Someone disagrees and they say so. Sometimes the disagreement is tense because lives are literally at stake and the person who’s wrong is going to get people killed.
Time, as well as correct philosophy, has shown voting for the lesser of two evils is wrong.
I agree with this.
Anyone who considered it beneath him to vote for McCain has assisted Democrats in funding abortion, weakening our military, subverting our economy, and destroying the prestige of the Presidency.
Each one of these “purists” helped shackle every man, woman and child in America from today onward. And each one of them makes me sick. They’ve aided and abetted our foreign and domestic and spiritual enemies.
As far as I’m concerned, they have blood on their hands.
RINO’s or not, unless the Republican party gets serious about politics in this country, we can kiss it goodbye. Simply because McCain is against this particular bills does not mean he’s any better than any other politician. McCain is responsible for so-called campaign finance reform. Most consider that legislation as detrimental to freedom as this so-called health-care bill.
I know, you know and everyone knows this HC crap was going to pass. Stupak or Tupak or No-pak....it was going to become law regardless of anything any Republican was going to do. The Marxocrats had more than enough votes and they would have found any manner of ways to assure that at least 218 were going to vote in the affirmative.
The problem with voting in any RINO is that they would be infesting the halls of Congress for 2-6 years, or longer. Another problem with the Republican party is that it is an inept and fickle gaggle of directionless buffoons that has, among other things, an inability to convince the thirsty to drink.
You have to hand it to the House and Senate Communists....they certainly can demagogue and enforce party loyalty and party discipline.
During the GOP primary, I got into multiple discussions on FR because of the candidate I supported. But the ultimate answer was and is very simple. Voting for Hillary or Obama, especially Obama, into office would bring the country to where it is right now. This is just the beginning of the development of Obama's socialist utopia. Now, it's healthcare, soon it will be amnesty, and then control of the internet, radio, and every other means of communication. Even later, they will aim for the elimination of the second amendment rights, and after that the list is endless. Communism at its best.
So, I'm not spending any more time on the subject, but I can say with certainty that my conscience is clean. I didn't vote for Obama, as some conservatives and Republicans did. I didn't vote for a third party, nor did I sit on my butt allowing Obama to win. And let's make one thing clear: no Republican president have ever tried to destroy our healthcare system as Obama just did, and no Republican president would ever do that. The fact that all the Republicans in the House and the Senate have voted against this is evidence that a GOPer would not be so warped and twisted to have done this.
However, even though I have nothing to do with Obama's election (because I knew all along about the enormity of the consequences if Obama would win), I sill have to pay for the horrible misjudgment of many people that voted for this man, and and so are my parents, sister, relatives, friends, and everyone else who didn't vote for this jerk.
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