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To: Red_Devil 232; All

It’s supposed to be really nice this weekend. It will almost seem like spring. We have a ways to go here before I can think about gardening, but looking forward to a weekend outside.

I posted the following tree question on the last garden thread, but it was far into the post, and may not have gotten much of a look:

I am looking for some advice on purchasing a tree. A large tree in our front yard died last year, and I am doing some searching around trying to figure out what new tree to plant this spring. I am in zone 6.

I know this sounds odd for the front yard, but I would love some kind of a fruit or nut tree, so the tree can do more than just look pretty. I know some fruit trees need two to pollinate, however, I don’t think we have space for two trees. I would love a Pawpaw tree, but it’s my understanding I would need two. I am interested in an Asian persimmon tree, but unsure if they can take our winters and also whether this would be too small a tree.

Any good suggestions on a beautiful tree that produces something edible as a bonus? Thanks.


6 posted on 03/05/2010 5:09:30 AM PST by chickpundit (Hi mom!)
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To: chickpundit
If you can't have two trees, get one that has two different types grafted to it. That way it can pollinate itself.
9 posted on 03/05/2010 5:15:02 AM PST by jimpick
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To: chickpundit

Don’t know where you live, but it’s hard to go wrong with a fruit bearing crabapple.Provided you could find one. They are beautiful, can take a lot of cold, and make one hell of a jelly.


12 posted on 03/05/2010 5:22:26 AM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: chickpundit

“Any good suggestions on a beautiful tree that produces something edible as a bonus? Thanks.”

Dwarf Mount Royal Plum, any dwarf SWEET cherry tree or a dwarf peach tree (Madison or Reliance). You only need one of these trees as they don’t require another to pollinate them. (I suggest ‘dwarf’ varieties for the home grower because they’re shorter and easier to pick from and prune.)

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20 posted on 03/05/2010 5:35:36 AM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save the Earth. It's the only planet with chocolate.)
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To: chickpundit
Any good suggestions on a beautiful tree that produces something edible as a bonus?

Wow, I'd have trouble narrowing it down to just one! That's how I wound up buying 5 acres, I want to plant everything!

You could plant a pawpaw and just see how it goes, or even try grafting two together. I'd suggest starting one from seed, though. They don't transplant well. I've lost more money than I'd care to think about buying pawpaws only to have every single one of them die, no matter how carefully I planted them. Persimmons will usually grow in zone 6 just fine.

For most fruits, there are self-pollinating varieties. Just make sure it specifically says self-pollinating or self-fruitful in the description somewhere. I'd suggest choosing whatever fruit you love eating the most, but is usually expensive enough that you don't like buying it. For me, that's cherries :D
84 posted on 03/05/2010 11:30:10 AM PST by Ellendra (Can't starve us out, and you can't make us run. . . -Hank Jr.)
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The objectives of Backyard Orchard Culture are

  • The prolonged harvest of tree-ripe fruit from a small space.
  • Many fruit varieties may be be planted close together.
  • The trees should be kept small by summer pruning.
— Summer Prune For Size Control —
Backyard Orchard Culture Is Not Commercial Orchard Culture

For years, most of the information about growing fruit came from commercial orchard culture: methods that promoted maximum size for maximum yield but required 12-foot ladders for pruning, thinning and picking, and 400 to 600 square feet of land per tree. Tree spacing had to allow for tractors.

Most people today do not need or expect commercial results from their backyard fruit trees. A commercial grower would never consider using his methods on a 90 ft. x 100 ft. parcel, so why should a homeowner?


Backyard Orchard Culture Is High Density Planting And Successive Ripening

Maximize the length of the fruit season by planting several (or many) fruit varieties with different ripening times.

Because of the limited space available to most homeowners, this means using one or more of the techniques for close-planting and training fruit trees; two, three or four trees in one hole, espalier, and hedgerow are the most common of these techniques.

Four trees instead of one means ten to twelve weeks of fruit instead of only two or three.

Close planting offers the additional advantage of restricting a tree's vigor. A tree won't grow as large when there are competing trees close by. Close-planting works best when rootstocks of similar vigor are planted together.

For example, using a four-in-one-hole planting, four trees on Citation rootstock would be easier to maintain than a combination of one tree on Lovell, one on Mazzard, one on Citation, and one on M-27.

In many climates, planting more varieties can also mean better cross-pollination of pears, apples, plums and cherries, which means more consistent production.


Backyard Orchard Culture Means Accepting The Responsibility For Tree Size
four in one

Small trees yield crops of manageable size and are much easier to spray, thin, prune, net, and harvest than large trees.

If trees are kept small, it is possible to plant a greater number of trees, affording the opportunity for more kinds of fruit and a longer fruit season.

Most semi-dwarfing rootstocks do not control fruit-tree size as much as you might expect.

Rootstocks can help to improve soil and climate adaptation, pest and disease resistance, precocity (heavy bearing in early years), tree longevity, and ease of propagation.

To date, no rootstocks have been developed which do all these things, plus fully-dwarf the scion.

Pruning is the only way to keep most fruit trees under twelve feet tall.

The most practical method of pruning is Summer Pruning.

Tree size is the grower's responsibility. Choose a size and don't let the tree get any bigger. A good height is the height you can reach for thinning and picking while standing on the ground, or while standing on a low stool.

Two other important influences on tree size are irrigation and fertilization practices. Fruit trees should not be grown with lots of nitrogen and lots of water. Some people grow their fruit trees the way they do their lawn, then wonder why the trees are so big and don't have any fruit!

Backyard Orchard Culture Means Understanding The Reasons For Pruning
tall enough

 

It's much easier to keep a small tree small
than it is to make a large tree small.

Most kinds of deciduous fruit trees require pruning to stimulate new fruiting wood, to remove broken and diseased wood, to space the fruiting wood, and to allow good air circulation and sunlight penetration in the canopy.

Pruning is most important in the first three years, because this is when the shape and size of a fruit tree is established.

Pruning at the same time as thinning the crop is strongly recommended.

By pruning when there is fruit on the tree, the kind of wood on which the tree sets fruit (one year-old wood, two year-old wood, spurs, etc.) is apparent, which helps you to make better pruning decisions.


Backyard Orchard Culture Means Summer Pruning For Size Control

There are several reasons why summer pruning is the easiest way to keep fruit trees small. Reducing the canopy by pruning in summer reduces photosynthesis (food manufacture), thereby reducing the capacity for new growth. Summer pruning also reduces the total amount of food materials and energy available to be stored in the root system in late summer and fall. This controls vigor the following spring, since spring growth is supported primarily by stored foods and energy. And, obviously, pruning is easier (and more likely to get done) in nice weather than in winter.

 

Backyard Orchard Culture Means Not Being Intimidated By Planting Or Pruningmike in the treetops

 

Fruit tree planting and pruning needn't be complicated or confusing. When planting, be aware of air circulation. This is important in cutting down disease problems. Check drainage. If poor-draining soils are suspected, consider a raised bed to protect the trees from starving for oxygen in heavy soils. Up to 4 trees can be planted in a 4x4 foot bed raised up at least 12 inches. Larger beds can accommodate more trees.

 

Pruning Backyard Orchard Culture is simple. When planting a bareroot tree, cut side limbs back by at least two-thirds to promote vigorous new growth. Then, two or three times per year, cut back or remove limbs and branches to accomplish the following:

First year

At planting time, bareroot trees may be topped as low as 15 inches up from the ground to force very low scaffold limbs or trees may be topped higher than 15 inches (up to four feet) depending on the presence of well-spaced existing side limbs or desired tree form. After the spring flush of growth cut the new growth back by half (late April/early May in Central Calif.). In late summer (late August to mid-September) cut the subsequent growth back by half. Size control and development of low-fruiting wood begins now.

When selecting containerized trees for planting in late spring/early summer, select trees with well-placed low scaffold limbs. These are usually trees that were cut back at planting time to force low growth. Cut back new growth by half now, and again in late summer.

Two, Three or Four trees in one hole
At planting time, plant each tree 18 to 24 inches apart. Cut back all trees to the same height.
Cut back new growth by half in spring and late summer as above. In the first two years especially, cut back vigorous varieties as often as necessary.

Do not allow any variety to dominate and shade out the others.

Plant each grouping of 3 or 4 trees in one hole at least 12 to 15 inches apart to allow for adequate light penetration and good air circulation.

Hedgerow plantings:
Easiest to maintain when spaced at least 3 or more feet apart. Make sure that the placement of the hedgerow does not block air circulation and light from other plantings.

To conserve water:
for single trees, apply at least a 4-inch layer of mulch up to 4 feet from the tree or from the center of the planting of 2, 3, or 4 trees in one hole.

Second year

Pruning is the same as the first year: cut back new growth by half in spring and late summer.

Pruning three times may be the easiest way to manage some vigorous varieties: Prune in the spring, early summer and late summer.

Thin to an open center beginning in the second season.
Prune single-tree plantings to vase shape.
Multi-plantings: thin out the center to allow plenty of sunlight into the interior of the group of trees.
Remove broken limbs. Remove diseased limbs well below signs of disease.

Third year
tom prunes

 

Choose a height and don't let the tree get any taller.

Tree height is the decision of the pruner. When there are vigorous shoots above the chosen height, cut back or remove them. Again, in late spring/early summer, cut back all new growth by at least half.

The smaller one, two, and three-year-old branches that bear the fruit should have at least six inches of free space all around. This means that where two branches begin close together and grow in the same direction, one should be removed.

When limbs cross one another, one or both should be cut back or removed.

When removing large limbs, first saw part way through the limb on the under side ahead of your intended cut. Do this so it won't tear the trunk as it comes off. Also, don't make the final cut flush with the trunk or parent limb and be sure to leave a collar (a short stub).

Apricots will require more pruning in the summer to control height. Prune as needed (2 to 3 times in the summer) to keep the tree from getting too much growth. Be careful not to cut too much at one time, this will cause excess sun exposure of unprotected limbs, which can cause sunburn to the interior limbs.

To develop an espalier, fan, or other two-dimensional form, simply remove everything that doesn't grow flat. Selectively thin and train what's left to space the fruiting wood.

Don't let pruning decisions inhibit you or slow you down. There are always multiple acceptable decisions - no two people will prune a tree in the same way. You learn to prune by pruning!

For further advice consult your nursery professional

Backyard Orchard Culture Begins With Summer Pruning!

Smaller trees are easier to spray, prune, thin, net and harvest! With small trees, it's possible to have more varieties that ripen at different times. The easiest way to keep trees small is by summer pruning. There are lots of styles, methods and techniques of summer pruning; most of them are valid. The important thing is to prune!

 

Backyard Orchard Culture Means Knowing Your Nursery Professional

The concepts and techniques of Backyard Orchard Culture are learned and implemented year by year. An integral part of Backyard Orchard Culture is knowing your nursery professionals and consulting with them when you have questions.

 

Backyard Orchard Culture Is The Pride Of Accomplishment

There is a definite sense of accomplishment and satisfaction, a special pleasure in growing your own fruit, growing new varieties of fruit, producing fruit that is unusually sweet and tasty, having fruit over a long season, and in sharing tree-ripe fruit with others. These are the rewards of learning and experimenting with new cultural practices and techniques as you become an accomplished backyard fruit grower.

 

ULTIMUS DICTUM

There's no excuse for neglected trees, maintenance undone or lack of know-how.
Backyard Orchard Culture is an attitude: Just Do It!


132 posted on 03/05/2010 6:48:46 PM PST by dennisw (It all comes 'round again --Fairport)
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To: chickpundit

Yes, you need 2 trees for PawPaw, and they are very tall.

Hall’s Hardy Almond makes a pretty lawn tree grows 15-25’. It has pink blossoms in the spring. zones 5-9. Almonds help raise the hdl(good cholestrol).


137 posted on 03/06/2010 2:50:49 AM PST by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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