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It's a dog-beat-dog world: Working mutts don't get a fair shake at big show
nydailynews ^ | February 18th 2010

Posted on 02/18/2010 6:17:41 AM PST by JoeProBono

Meaning no disrespect to Sadie the Scottie, who won Best in Show at this year's Westminster competition, and, really, really, really, really, we mean no disrespect to Sadie, who is as terminally adorable as any lapworthy mutt could be.

But, still - another Scottie?

Clearly, the judges are not New Yorkers. This is a sin for which they can be forgiven, but their anti-New York-dog prejudices are unpardonable.

The city is a working town, but the judges have it in for big, brawny, lunchpail-type canines.

There are 26 working breeds, including boxers, Dobermans, Rottweilers and great Danes. In the Best in Show competition's 103-human-year, 721-dog-year history, members of these 26 breeds have taken top prize a grand total of nine times. Meanwhile, darling, darling Scotties have copped eight blue ribbons.

Worse injustices are playing out in plain sight.

According to the American Kennel Club, the most popular breeds among New York City dog owners are, in descending order, Yorkshire terriers, Labradors, dachshunds, Shih Tzus and German shepherds.

But for more than a century, the judges have skunked Labs, dachshunds and Shih Tzus, while deigning to give the nod to a single Yorkie in 1978 and a single German shepherd in 1987.

The insult is palpable. These are among the finest dogs the world has to offer, yet they are treated like curs. Why? Because where these judges are concerned, there's a very big problem at the other end of the leash.


TOPICS: Pets/Animals
KEYWORDS: dog; dogshow; jpb; westminster
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To: ronniesgal

Are the dreadlocks on the Komador natural or do they spend hours at the beauty salon getting them that way.


81 posted on 02/18/2010 8:12:15 AM PST by ODDITHER (HAT)
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To: dawn53

It’s my favorite group, the herding dogs, who really get screwed.


82 posted on 02/18/2010 8:13:01 AM PST by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their government funding!)
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To: twyn1

I’ve had two Afghans, I love them. And you’re right - if you don’t like cats, DO NOT get an Afghan. Very independent, but they love “their” people. But they hate coyotes - big time.


83 posted on 02/18/2010 8:13:08 AM PST by greatplains
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To: Natural Law

I love Bernese Mountain Dogs. But the sad thing about that breed is that they’ve got an average lifespan of only 7 years due to various cancers that they seem more susceptible to than other breeds. I know there are studies underway to see why this is...


84 posted on 02/18/2010 8:14:48 AM PST by cammie
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To: Let's Roll
1987 Best in Show at Westminster, German Shepherd Dog Ch Covy Tucker Hill's Manhattan


85 posted on 02/18/2010 8:24:48 AM PST by Darnright (There can never be a complete confidence in a power which is excessive. - Tacitus)
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To: cammie
"But the sad thing about that breed is that they’ve got an average lifespan of only 7 years due to various cancers that they seem more susceptible to than other breeds."

I have had two that died before 8 years old form various cancers. The cause is probably poor breeding practices. The breed was virtually extinct less than 100 years ago and with the high price of the dogs the incentive has been to try to mass produce them. My neighbor has two that are now over 11 years old and still pretty healthy so my next one will be from his breeder.

86 posted on 02/18/2010 8:38:53 AM PST by Natural Law
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To: Joe 6-pack

Yes, my other breed is unlikely to do well in the groups and BIS rings as they are also not showy. The thing that always worries me is that people will breed for that rather than to the standard.


87 posted on 02/18/2010 8:47:57 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Darnright

Yes, it’s why I never look at what a dog has won when making breeding decisions. The top winning dogs generally have a lot of money behind them. They are not terrible dogs, but equally nice dogs, who did not have connected owners/handlers and $$$ are out there AND are not being heavily used.
I had a lovely bitch I co-owned and bred who finished her CH in 10 days and won one Best in Specialty (all goldens) and had had a group placement as a move up. My co-owner and I briefly discussed the idea of specialing her, but decided we didn’t want to spend the money, or waste prime breeding years. She has produced a champion and pointed dogs now, so I’m glad we made the decision we did. She’s still a lovely girl with a championship, but I’m happier with what she does in the whelping box than in campaigning her (and paying a handler money I could use elsewhere).


88 posted on 02/18/2010 8:52:49 AM PST by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: PzLdr

I love Wire Fox Terriers but a Chesepeake Bay Retriever I had was absolutely the best dog...ever. I miss Bulldozer.


89 posted on 02/18/2010 8:55:52 AM PST by youturn (Conference, Christine!)
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To: ODDITHER

I don’t know! That dog looks cool, but I don’t think I’d have the time to keep it knot free.


90 posted on 02/18/2010 8:59:01 AM PST by ronniesgal ( I miss George Bush. Hell, I miss Bill Clinton!!)
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To: JoeProBono
KEEP THE AKC AWAY FROM WORKING DOGS.

Working dogs are exactly that, a worker. Their breed standards should be based upon performance first, looks second. The AKC “beauty pageant” can absolutely RUIN a good working breed of dogs.

Witness what they are trying to do to the Bull-mastiff. The entire point of having a “Bull”Mastiff was that it was smaller, and more active, than a Mastiff. But people want a “big” dog to look BIG, so the standards have crept upwards. Now instead of an active guard dog, you have a gorgeous big and lazy dog that doesn't want to go on patrol with you if it means abandoning its comfy bed.

The more the AKC ignores a working breed, the better for the breed.

Field trial champion hunting dogs over AKC beauty pageant dogs any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

91 posted on 02/18/2010 9:02:56 AM PST by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: JoeProBono

Awww... that looks just like my Dozer.


92 posted on 02/18/2010 9:04:37 AM PST by youturn (Conference, Christine!)
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To: Spike Knotts
This is to no one in particular, I’m just proud of my Komondor.

What does their coat feel like? I've always wondered.

93 posted on 02/18/2010 9:07:42 AM PST by youturn (Conference, Christine!)
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To: allmendream
Thank you for the ignorant rant. The AKC is a collection of clubs with the primary function of keeping records. One of those clubs is the Bullmastiff (not “Bull-mastiff”) club . The clubs are composed of the owners who want to join. They're the ones who decide what the standards are. While I've never owned a Bullmastiff the ones I've met are serious guard dogs and really haven't changed in size in the 40 years since I first saw one.

The beauty pageant aspect is what people see when they don't know what's going on. There is no doubt that the best dogs are beautiful. That's because humans interpret symmetrical form, seamless conformation and apparent health and vigor as beauty. People who are at the top of their game in working dogs, competitive field trials, competitive herding understand the relationship of form (conformation) to function.

94 posted on 02/18/2010 9:28:22 AM PST by Varda
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To: allmendream

amen.


95 posted on 02/18/2010 9:33:23 AM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Varda
It is all about how selective pressure on the breed is driving looks instead of performance.

Having seen AKC Bullmastiffs, and having owned a Bullmastiff from English bloodlines; the difference is profound. The American breed of Bullmastiffs is inferior in performance, but better looking overall.

Many working breeds are not as ‘standard’ in their appearance as “show” dogs, but their conformation to form has little correlation to actual performance.

It is all a matter of what traits you are going to selectively breed for; are you going to emphasize looks, or are you going to emphasize performance.

That is why, for my money, I would take a field trial champion bloodline over a ‘beauty pageant’ bloodline any day of the week.

96 posted on 02/18/2010 9:36:25 AM PST by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed. So how could it be re-distributed?)
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To: NewCenturions

Love the whippet and greyhound, the working and herd dogs seem to be the best dogs ever. But the mutt is not in the running, a good pet also. Scotty’s are cute but never could figure out why so many get a big nod and others don’t..


97 posted on 02/18/2010 10:26:04 AM PST by goat granny
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To: ican'tbelieveit

I remember as a kid, putting a big gob of peanut butter on the roof of our dogs mouth and spend the next 10 minutes laughing at them trying to eat it....It was as funny as watching my lab chew on a gummy bear....


98 posted on 02/18/2010 10:30:35 AM PST by goat granny
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To: JoeProBono

Big dog little tub, wonder how doggie did it....LOL


99 posted on 02/18/2010 10:31:54 AM PST by goat granny
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To: Spike Knotts

Komodors are beautiful looking when running, but I have heard on Animal Planet that they take a lot of time to groom when adults..


100 posted on 02/18/2010 10:39:40 AM PST by goat granny
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