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Posted on 01/26/2010 3:44:42 PM PST by Signalman
In case you’re wondering why so many people watch Glenn Beck watch this. This is Beck at his most…entertaining. Beck opened tonight’s show with what can only be described as a tour-de-force excoriation of yesterday’s Joe Klein article accusing Americans of being dumb. Fifteen minutes worth. It was, to put it plainly, brilliant theater. A cast of thousands with Beck playing all the parts.
It’s on YouTube...just search on Beck and Joe Klein...several versions available.
Hmmm... so I’m curious why Oregon didn’t get any stimulus money. Per Klein’s comments, states did not raise taxes because of the stimulus money right? So Mr. Klein why is Oregon’s legislature attempting to increase our taxes by over $700 million with measures 66-67?
Care to “splain” that to a dumb American Mr. Klein?
Harry Reid commands little respect among his own church, particularly Nevada.
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No wonder with him openly bashing President Ezra Taft Benson all the time the way he does.
You'd think that such public "apostacy" would cause the Church leadership to forbid him from recieving awards from and speaking at BYU. I mean they excommunicated shirtless calendar buy in what, a couple weeks ?
Have they ever allowed Beck to address BYU ?
Their silence on this matter is loud enough to sway voting habits in the midwest.
I haven’t complained to the mods, so I’m not sure what you mean in that regard, nor am I attacking you personally. I simply asked you for a CFR (Call for reference) on your assertion that the BYU event was a deliberatly orchestrated anti-EV forum. Do you have an agenda for the event, list of speakers and topics? Transcripts? It’s because I want to check the facts that I asked for the reference to back up your claims. I have students who attend BYU I guess they must have forgot to tell me about all the anti-EV, pro Democrat activites at BYU. There has never been such a deliberatly orchestrated event and I am certain there never will be. It is contrary to the gospel as we believe it to attack any church in that manner.
As for voting - you should know as a former mormon that church leaders never tell anyone how to vote for a political candidate. Never. In my 30 years of church experience it has always been very clear that the church goes to great lengths to avoid the impression of endorsing any political candidate.
I think the truth you speak is very relative to you and that you are infering a great deal more than is really there.
Peace.
He said, in character as Joe Six Pack, "That's not an Ivy League school." Then in character as a liberal snob, he said "That's the trailer trash of Ivy League schools. It's like a double-wide, you know what I'm saying?"
IMO most people don't think of the University of Pennsylvania as an Ivy League university, though it is. Liberal snobs know that Penn is technically Ivy League, but they don't think it ranks academically alongside the other Ivies. Beck just covered both viewpoints.
Still, he has given his enemies a quote that they can take out of context if they want to.
If you like I would be more then willing to provide sourced qoutes going all the way back to Joseph Smith regarding the church's stance on evangelicals, which are right in line with Reid's comments.
You know as well as I do that Mormon Bishops were ordered by Salt Lake to organize ward members from thier homes to support Prop 8 in California and other earlier measures there and in other states.
Ezra Taft Benson's "An Enemy Hath Done This" was taught in Preisthood during his tenure.
This whole situation is very much like the Catholic church's inaction with Kerry and the Kennedys. Inaction which led to a steady leftward drift of the voting block.
The leadership of the LDS is drifting to the left with it's embrace of Reid and shunning of Beck and I worry about the political ramifications.
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In Michigan he replays at 2 am
you are wrong, he said Penn was the doublewide of Ivy League schools and made fun of it as if he graduated from Harvard.
Actually the Catholic vote was always left wing, with rare exceptions.
I have checked your references, and frankly, find little to support either of your main assertions. For example in the 09 Oct 07 edition of Deseret News your conveniently ignore the following:
“That Reid is a Democrat and a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints presents a duality considered unusual at BYU and in Utah County, where most vote Republican and many associate the church’s values with the Republican Party — despite numerous statements by the church that it is politically neutral and values both political parties.
There is irony, then, in the fact Reid is the first Mormon to lead his party in Congress and therefore is the highest-ranking Mormon in American political history.
That fact, and Reid’s place in the tumult that surrounded Vice President Cheney’s controversial visit to BYU six months ago, raised some expectations for fireworks prior to Reid’s visit.
Reid’s role as one of the Democratic Party’s chief critics of the Bush administration is also considered polarizing by many at BYU and in Utah, where support for the president remains among the strongest in the nation.” (Deseret News 09 Oct 07)
So you ignore the fact the VP Cheneny visited the campus just 6 mo’s prior I guess so that it makes Reid’s visit seem like some sort of endorsement and that the church is drifting left politically. I think if you take a few minutes and read the entire article You will find that Reid’s visit is hardly an endorsement by the church of him, but rather an attempt by an institution of higher learning to allow students, the majority of whom disagree with Reid, to experience multiple points of view. Again, all I see is a Democrat playing his audience in an effort to drive more members of the church to the democratic party because he knows that most are strongly republican and do in fact find issues like abortion and gay marriage to be very important, even though Reid himself decided they weren’t. I can assure you with a resonable amount of experience as someone who still is a Mormon that Reid is out of touch with the majority of church members if he believes otherwise.
As for the 10 Oct 07 article you cite, Reid made one comment about EVs (which I addressed the motivation for in my other reply) which you somehow extrapolate into “The BYU-sanctioned event provided Mormon political & religious leaders a common platform to attack Evangelicals”. This is what asked for the specifics about. Other than this single quote do you have anything that backs up your claim that this was a “BYU sanctioned forum to attack EVs”? Reid is not a church leader and was hardly speaking in that capacity. Again, all I see is a Democrat playing his audience in an effort to drive more members of the church to the democratic party because he knows that most are strongly republican and do in fact find issues like abortion and gay marriage to be very important, even though Reid himself decided they weren’t. So, unless you can provide details that this suppossed platform to attack EVs was anything more than a single comment by one man, speaking politically, I think your assertion to be unfounded and sensationalistic.
You should know that Church support for Prop 8 is not the same as endorsement of a political candidate which I already addressed. In fact given what Prop 8 was trying to accomplish and the fact that Reid was oppossed to it ought to reassure you that at least on this issue Reid finds himself in a position not in harmony with church leadership.
Your assertion that Ezra Taft Benson’s book “An Enemy Hath Done This” being used as offcial church instructional material for priesthood lessons simply isn’t accurate. I will acknowledge however that from time to time instructors stray from the approved instruction material and the scriptures and introduce material best left for discussion outside the class. In such cases the instructor is normally corrected and we move on.
The church is not a political institution, it is a religous one. Individual members may engage politically however they feel to do so. On occasion when faced with a compelling political issue the church has asked members to get involved as citizens, hence prop 8. It never tells anyone how to vote.
As for the quotes from church leaders regarding EVs, the church has been vicously attacked since its infancy by EVs and their predecessors. It is hardly surprising that we acknowledge the fact. Statements from church leaders acknowleding differences in doctrine do not constitute an attack. If that were so, then there is a lot of inter-denominational attacking going one within Protestantism itself.
They are merely a subset of the whole.
Dingy Harry is merely doing what the FOUNDER of MORMONism did; only not quite as inclusive.
They are different in Utah.
DON’T! get them wet!
I hope Joe got to see it.
sorry for the rant/ you just got me thinking.... :)
We, as a Nation, have killed OVER 45 million of our own people ... The FACTS of it SHOULD make us sick....
I'm NOT sorry for the rant/ I hope to get the voters FEELing! 8(
I hope you can 'defend the faith' better than the latest crew of MORMONs who show up there!
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