Phil Berg calls Lucas Smith to testify against Orly Taitz in Rivernider vs US Bank.

.......BHO Sr's marriage to Kezia might make the HI marriage bigamous thus blocking dual citizenship for BHO II. But Donofrio insisted that it was legally sufficient to ignore that and rely on Obama’s “admission against interest” that BHO Sr. was his father and the claim by his campaign that Obama was “governed by the BNA of 1948.”
..... Obama would probably throw the 1948 BNA under the bus and claim that his parents marriage was bigamous, if it would save his NBC status.

I think you have hit upon at least one key motion in Team Obama's "Fall-Back" defense strategy! Since this is going to take years to percolate, perhaps we ought to turn our attention to Bobby Jindal's NBC status. Neither of his parents were citizens at the time of his birth in Lousiana!

BTW, I found it amazing that this past Fall, Donofrio developed a very keen interest in matters Hawaiian. It just doesn't get any weirder than the "The Case of the Man With No Past." Can anyone get this done? A Lawyer who's day job is Professional Poker Player? A beautiful Russian-American Lady Dentist? Mr. Keene, Tracer of Lost Persons?

I recommend that we refer the entire matter to the Supreme Court of the Republic of Honduras, after arresting and flying the Prepostor to Costa Rica, of course. The SCOTROH at least had the know-how to get rid of an unconstitutional President. Also, and hopefully, presumably gallant Latino jurists would give the pretty but cranky Dr. Orly at least the time of day, no matter how serious her many legal shortcomings.

they are called ideograms Lucas, not pictures. If you refuse to call them idegrams call them symbols, not pictures. You sound ignorant. Demotic writing is the alphabetic evolution of Hieratic (Hieroglyphic) writing. Language remained, writing changed. It happend to turkish in the 19th century, from arabic characters to latin ones. Serbo-Croat, before the breakup of Yugoslavia, was the only language with two official alphabetic writings /cyrillic and latin.
Listen Lucas with Internet anyone can find this sort of information. What is your point ? Is this trivial pursuit ?
Can’t you give us some answers since YOU claim your paper to be authentic and many (even on a friendly forum like this one) seem not to believe you ?
There’s a poster who is patiently asking you if your videos were turned in Kenya or elsewhere. It’s days he’s been asking you. And you, what do you do ? You make lengthy post to me about how smart you are and how many pretty things you find on the net but that poster you don’t answer. Doesn’t he (or she) deserve your attention ? Isn’t his (hers) a legitimate question ? Is it so hard to answer such a simple question ? How should I define your attitude ? Arrogance ?

1. Where were your videos recorded? No answer...therefore, I must conclude that It was recorded somewhere in the Caribbean, especially that those background dialogues don’t sound swahili at all!...those kids don’t look Kenyan at all. Those winding slum area is not characteristic of kenya at all.

2. Show proof that you went to Kenya, receipts, plane ticket, visa, entry/exit date stamped on your passport?...No answer. Therefore, I’ll conclude that you NEVER WENT TO KENYA!

3. Why did you purport that those 3 pictures where you were in were shot with a Kenyan slums for the background?....No answer. Therefore, that is yet another attempt at deception in your part!

I studied all of this in school. Swahili was a big part of our debate on African language and why most all African languages never had a writen form, they were ONLY SPOKEN languages. The Egyptians did have a written language.

Hieratic was first used during the Protodynastic Period, developing alongside the more formal hieroglyphic script. It is an error to view hieratic as a derivative of hieroglyphic writing. The earliest texts from Egypt are produced with ink and brush, with no indication their signs are descendants of hieroglyphs. True monumental hieroglyphs carved in stone did not appear until the 1st Dynasty, well after hieratic had been established as a scribal practice. The two writing systems, therefore, are related, parallel developments, rather than a single linear one.

Hieratic is an abjad system with logographic elements.

Abjad is defined as: a type of writing system in which each symbol always or usually[1] stands for a consonant; the reader must supply the appropriate vowel. It is a term suggested by Peter T. Daniels[2] to replace the common terms consonantary or consonantal alphabet or syllabary to refer to the family of scripts called West Semitic. In popular usage, abjads often contain the word "alphabet" in their names, such as "Phoenician alphabet" and "Arabic alphabet".

Logographic is defined as a grapheme which represents a word or a morpheme (the smallest meaningful unit of language). This stands in contrast to phonograms, which represent phonemes (speech sounds) or combinations of phonemes, and determinatives, which mark semantic categories.

Logograms are commonly known also as "ideograms" or "hieroglyphs". Strictly speaking, however, ideograms represent ideas directly rather than words and morphemes, and none of the logographic systems described here are truly ideographic.

From Wikipedia.

Dear Lucas,

this time I have another question to ask you. It concerns the dynamics of your obtaining the piece of paper.

You have said that on Feb 19th you bribed a policeman at CPGH in order for him to look the other way while you retrieved the document from files. The paper states it was produced in 1961. Correct ?

But then this same paper is stamped and signed and dated by Dr,Maganga which you say was Chief Administrator on the same Feb 19th 2009

Let’s imagine just for a moment that his name is Helton and that he was the ca administraor on Feb 19th 2009.

How did you get that stamp and signature ?

It is impossible that all the certificates on file were allready stamped and dated with that day’s date. It is equally impossible that Maganga “resigns” every single bc on record daily.

I mean did you fisically bring the document to Maganga in order for him to sign it ?

Or did you bribe him as well ?

At some point of your story Maganga would have put his signature on the document. Since it was signed by him on Feb 19th, the day you entered the hospital, either he signed it before your arrival or after. Logic says it should be after.

But truly I can’t imagine anyone stealing a document from a hospital archive and then going to the head officer of the same hospital to have it signed.

How did you manage to do this ?

What are you talking about now? Have you really forgotten what has been stated on the youtube forum scores of times now, OR EVEN THE EMAILS THAT I SENT TO YOU?

The birth certificate wasn’t stolen from the hospital.

Aside from bribing military officers I had to bribe the admin at CPGH as well. The military officers didn’t steal anything. The birth certificate was handed to me from the admin at CPGH.

This has been discussed many times.

Again I am still waiting for you explain how you KNOW that Helton’s name is spelled wrong. Yes, I know, you have online sources, Kenyan news outlet and two kenyan online medical directories.

But when we look up other admin at Coast Province General Hospital, we find that their name is spelled different way as well. Moreover, their name is spelled many different ways.

I believe that by now we all know who we are talking about, her name is (or might be because nobody can ascertain which spelling is correct) Merry Othigo. Or it might me Jennifer Othiga.

You know, the lady that you claim was chief admin on 02.19.2009.

Which spelling is correct? Merry or Mary. Jennifer or Jeniffer or Janet or Joyce? Jenniper or Jenipper or Janet or Joyce? Othigo or Othiga? Then theres her other name that fits in somewhere, Otieno.

The sources for her name come from MEDICAL DOCUMENTS and MEDICAL REPORTS and MEDICAL DIRECRTORIES well as Kenyan news sources.

Do you understand now?

Please stop replying that it is not relevant. As you can see the readers find your arguments to be sort of light of brain.

There are many more OFFICIAL sources for the different spellings of Merry Othigo than you could ever dream of finding for Helton Maganga.

Tell us now how you know that Helton Maganga’s name is (as you claim) “Heltan”.

Your theory doesn’t make any sense. You leave us no other option but assume that you are a paid Obot that spends day and night posting disinformation. Take a look at your posts kim. Your comments don’t make much sense.

Then there’s the fact that every time you stray off subject and then someone calls you out for your faulty off subject discussion you (kim) then make the claim that we are the ones that are discussing off subject topics as a distraction. This is another sign of a paid Obot.

Lastly, tell us more about your PHONE CONVERSATION with Helton Maganga in September or October 2009. If Helton was not chief admin in February 2009 (as you, Kim, make claim of) then why didn’t Helton tell you that on the phone???

Please don’t make the claim that your talk with Helton Maganga is irrelevant. Do you know how crazy an answer such as that sounds?

Can you answer or are you going to reply to me with a Wikipedia copy and paste about Egyptian language?

Thank you.

So you now blatantly accuse HELTAN MAGANGA of a crime?

How much did you pay those who participated in this bribery? Let me guess, it must be way more than $2,000.00. You see, Jerome Corsi offered that amount but was deported for being a “cheaps cake”...LOL!

NEVERTHELESS, You still haven’t answered any of my questions!

2. Show proof that you went to Kenya, receipts, plane ticket, visa, entry/exit date stamped on your passport?...No answer. Therefore, I’ll conclude that you NEVER WENT TO KENYA!

3. Why did you purport that those 3 pictures where you were in were shot with a Kenyan slums for the background?....No answer. Therefore, that is yet another attempt at deception in your part!

Thanks Lucas,

you have clearly stated your version. You claim to have, directly or indirectly, bribed Maganga. So my question has been useful for some necessary clarifications.

The next piece of the story, I don’t know if it was you or one of your groupies who brought it up, has the bribed policeman and maybe his boss fired. I would like to ask Kenyan authorities why Maganga wasn’t fired as well. I mean, he signed the document, his name is in clear evidence on your piece of paper. Instead it seems, by following the timeline on Kenyan media, that after the fake signature he was PROMOTED to Chief Administrator.

Why would the rogue nation of Kenya who’s prime minister Odinga (who is in fact a born again Chrisitian and was born an Anglican) birthers accused of being a radical Muslim who wants to introduce sharia law,.... why would this rogue nation side with birthers by not punishing Maganga for his crime ?
You don’t have to answer this question, Kenya should, assuming the policeman’s arrest to be a fact. But your opinion would be interesting.

This question is for you.
Since the signature was not obtained by you but by, presumably, someone else in the chain of corruption, how can you be 100% sure that Maganga personally signed that document ? What proof do you have about this ? Do you have a true undenianble Maganga stamp and signature for the purpose of confrontation ?

So we are getting close to the heart of our dispute. Maybe we are moving forward. Your reasoning suddenly makes my questions about Maganga’s name and signature more than legit. BECAUSE YOU SIMPLY DON’T KNOW IF HE SIGNED IT OR NOT.

following previous post.

See Lucas now maybe you can better understand my questions to you months ago about Maganga’s middle name and sex. You brushed them aside by claiming that his middle name and sex were of no importance. I have asked them before posting the video showing Maganga to be male.

Simply I wanted to understand if you had met him. Now we know. You knew it and said it, but many of your fans seem to be unaware and you certainly have been carefull not to have them remember it.

YOU NEVER MET HIM, you have never seen him, btw he wasn’t even in the position. But still you claim to be certain that what is on your paper are his signature and his stamp.

There are pieces missing Lucas, do you agree ?

finishing my observations in the previous 2 posts.

There is a major flaw in your attitude as well. While it seems obvious that I and others would resort to internet information to confute you. It is not so obvious that you would do the same with us. You have direct experience, we don’t. You should reply with facts about your entire operation. But you don’t, in the absence of evidence, you surf for answers as any angry blogger.

So I think time has come for you to answer mine and others’ questions with facts not with links to external sources. May I resume ?

Can you show us something proving your presence in Mombasa on Feb 19th 2009 ? (passport, meals, hotel receipt, anything)
Can you prove those pics and videos were not shot in Santo Domingo but in Kenya ?
Do you have a document bearing the official stamp and signature of Dr. Maganga, whom you have never met, for the purpose of confrontation ?
Are you 100 % certain that who supposedly handed you the signed document didn’t forge the stamp and the signature ?
Do you have direct knowledge of his name being Helton and not Heltan ?
Do you have elements to illustrate that Maganga was the 2nd chief administrator of CPGH of Feb 19th 2009 ?

Lucas, had you really done all you claim to have done, answering the above questions would be quite easy. But you can’t since you have never been there. There are only to conclusions to be drawn at this point.

Either you forged it or
someone handed you a forgery

Do you really have a propensity to lie? How can you blatantly state in your youtube channel... "Some of you may be interested to know that Charles Edward Lincoln III won against Orly Taitz in the Rivernider vs US Bank case where Orly claimed that Lincoln forged her signature." Or you simply can't comprehend the Judge's decision! (page 14-15) "With the Supreme Court’s caution in mind, the undersigned concludes that the imposition of sanctions against any of the plaintiffs is not warranted. However, the undersigned is not convinced that Dr. Taitz acted in bad faith in her communication with the Court, and there is not a sufficient basis to impose sanctions against her. The undersigned notes that if plaintiff Lincoln had signed his own name “for” Dr. Taitz, the issue of fraud would not have arisen. Therefore, being duly advised, it is hereby ORDERED and ADJUDGED that no sanctions will be imposed by the Court on the plaintiffs or Dr. Taitz, and the parties and witnesses shall pay their own attorney’s fees." http://www.scribd.com/doc/26640257/RIVERNIDER-v-U-S-BANK-58-ORDER-no-sanctions-will-be-imposed-by-the-court-on-the-plaintiffs-or-Dr-Taitz-Gov-uscourts-flsd-342089-58-0 I WAS A DRAW LUCAS!

"With the Supreme Court’s caution in mind, the undersigned concludes that the imposition of sanctions against any of the plaintiffs is not warranted. However, the undersigned is not convinced that Dr. Taitz acted in bad faith in her communication with the Court, and there is not a sufficient basis to impose sanctions against her."

Lucas Smith told the truth when he stated that Charles Lincoln "won against Orly Taitz" in the Rivernider hearing.

Taitz wrote to Judge Snow a letter that clearly insinuated a claim that Lincoln had fraudulently signed Taitz's name to a motion filed with Snow's court. Taitz claimed that Lincoln knew, or should have known that he no authority to sign any filing on her behalf.

Based on Taitz's letter, Judge Snow was then compelled to convene an investigative hearing, to determine whether sanctions should be placed on Lincoln for making a fraudulent filing or alternatively whether sanctions should be placed on Taitz for making a false claim that Lincoln had committed fraud.

As Lucas Smith says on his Youtube page, "Charles Edward Lincoln III won against Orly Taitz...where Orly claimed that Lincoln forged her signature." This is absolutely true.

Judge Snow did not find Lincoln guilty of fraudulently forging Taitz's signature, as Taitz had claimed to the judge, even though Lincoln admitted to signing her signature.

Judge Snow found that "Lincoln correctly or incorrectly believed he was authorized to prepare, sign and file the pleading on behalf of Dr. Taitz. Additionally, the undersigned finds that plaintiff Lincoln did not prepare, sign and file this pleading in an attempt to perpetrate a fraud on this Court."

Lincoln went into the investigative hearing charged by Taitz of perpetrating a fraud on the Court and Lincoln came out of the hearing absolved by the Court of Taitz's charge. That is a win for Lincoln.

That fact that the Court declined to charge Taitz for falsely charging Lincoln with perpetrating a fraud doesn't make this a tie, it just means the Court let Taitz off the hook.

Even though Lincoln admitted signing the motion improperly in Taitz's name (he should have signed "for" Taitz, not Taitz's name), the Court clearly believed Lincoln's testimony that he believed he had a basis for believing that Taitz had authorized him to sign for her in the way that he did, and the court did not believe Taitz's claim that Lincoln had absolutely no basis to believe he could sign Taitz's name.

To the Court chose to take the word of former lawyer, Lincoln, over a current member of the bar.

Regarding the testimony of Lucas Smith and the Riverniders, in footnote 1 Judge Snow says "...the testimony of these witnesses was not material to the issues to be resolved at the hearing and will not be discussed in this Order."

While Lucas Smith's testimony may not have been material to the "issues to be resolved" his testimony was clearly material in support of the credibility of Lincoln and against the credibility of Taitz. Judge Snow believed Lincoln and declined to believe Taitz when "(S)he denied that she had ever authorized plaintiff Lincoln to sign anything for her in any case."

My conclusion is that in addition to Judge Carter, now Jude Snow has found Lucas Smith's assertions in federal court to be credible.

The undersigned notes that if plaintiff Lincoln had signed his own name “for” Dr. Taitz, the issue of fraud would not have arisen. Therefore, being duly advised, it is hereby ORDERED and ADJUDGED that no sanctions will be imposed by the Court on the plaintiffs or Dr. Taitz, and the parties and witnesses shall pay their own attorney’s fees.”

IT WAS A DRAW!....LET ME REITERATE...”no sanctions will be imposed by the Court on the plaintiffs or Dr. Taitz, and the parties and witnesses shall pay their own attorney’s fees.”

“the testimony of these witnesses was not material to the issues to be resolved at the hearing and will not be discussed in this Order.”

Therefore, Lucas’ testimony was not even considered in this hearing...There court did not state any opinion as to the credibility of Lucas testimony!

Now TELL LUCAS TO COMEBACK AS HE IS YET TO ANSWER MIK TAERG’S THREE (3) POSTS....ABOUT PROVING THAT HE INDEED WENT TO KENYA!

He can’t avoid this questions forever!

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