Phil Berg calls Lucas Smith to testify against Orly Taitz in Rivernider vs US Bank.

Youtube ^ | 01-12-10 | Lucas Smith

[Sectumsepra]

“We are quite capable here of ferreting out forgeries.”

It seems that you don’t need me around since you can take care of business. That’s fine, I can feel the unwelcome attitude. I’ve already e-mailed the webmaster to unsubscribe me. There are other conservative sites who will probably give me a warm welcome. Let me give my contribution where it is needed! Please remember WE CONSERVATIVES ARE CHRISTIANS WHO DON’T LIE!

It was fun while it lasted! Goodbye!

[pissant]

Hey troll, what’s in this for you?

[pissant]

I’d suggest DU

[Las Vegas Ron]

It was fun while it lasted! Goodbye!

And let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya, troll

[Las Vegas Ron]

Whoa, did you check out Sectumsepra's posting history?

I wonder how much people like that get paid to post their drivel.

[pissant]

No. I knew his posting history without having to read it.

[Las Vegas Ron]

Same thread for the last 9 days, nothing else.

[Las Vegas Ron]

Same thread for the last 9 days, nothing else.

[Seizethecarp]

"Larry Sinclair (as if he is to be trusted? LOL), also wrote in his affidavit that Orly Taitz knew that Lucas KBC was a fake. Sinclair sent a copy of his affidavit to Judge Carter. (page 7, item 10 and 11)"

http://www.scribd.com/doc/22039643/LIBERI-et-al-v-TAITZ-et-al-ECF-FILER-Request-for-Judicial-Notice-of-Larry-Sinclair-s-Affidavit-and-Exhibit-A-to-Larry-Sinclair-s-Affidavit-Tran

Sectumsepra:

There are two Sinclair affidavits. Sinclair did not send a copy to Judge Carter of his Sept 30 Liberi case affidavit at the link in which he made a purely hearsay statement in item 11 regarding what Taitz "knew" about the authenticity of Smith's CPGH BC.

Sinclair sent Judge Carter only his Sept 15 affidavit, (Attachment A to the Liberi affidavit at the link) in which he does not make any statements to Judge Carter regarding the authenticity of Smith's CPGH BC.

The purpose of both of Sinclair's affidavits was to impeach Taitz's integrity and reliability, but you appear to want us to consider Sinclair's account of Taitz's alleged knowledge that the Smith BC was a fake to be reliable, even as you "LOL" about Sinclair's reliability.

If Sinclair heard Taitz say she had knowledge that Smith's CPGH BC was a fake, why didn't he put that in his affidavit to Judge Carter on Sept 15 and only later on Sept 30 decide to include this hearsay observation in an affidavit in a the Liberi case before a different judge and court?

Clearly that calls into question the already negligible value of Sinclair's claim as to what Taitz thought about Smith's BC. Sinclair provides no information as to how Taitz came to "know" it was a fake.

What we actually have in Judge Carter's court record is Smith's own affidavit of Oct 12 relating back to the same brief meeting that Sinclair and Smith attended together with Taitz.

Smith discloses to the Court his allegation that it was Taitz who was unable to authenticate the "Lavender" 1964 BC (Smith says she claimed that MOSAD gave it to her) and she wanted Smith to perjure himself with a claim that he had obtained it in Kenya at the same time as he obtained the CPGH BC.

It is easy to see that Sinclair, in his brief meetings with Taitz and Smith may have become confused as to which BC's Taitz couldn't authenticate (which is different from "knowing" any BC's are fake) and Sinclair may not have known that Taitz told Smith that the 1964 BC came from MOSAD.

Sinclair may have witnessed a conversation between Taitz and Smith where Taitz was trying to get Smith to agree to an alternate false account as to the provenance of a document she believed might be genuine, but preferred not to disclose the MOSAD source.

In Sinclair's Sep 15 affidavit to Judge Carter, Sinclair only states that he witnesses Taitz asking Smith to compare the 1961 CPGH BC to the 1964 Lavender BC for points of consistency making no claim at all that Taitz knew that either is fake or that Smith considered his own CPGH BC to be fake.

Bottom line: Sinclair's comment about Smith's CPGH BC cannot be relied on at all. There is no statement that I know of from Taitz herself that Taitz "knew" that Smith's CPGH BC was fake in any of the cases in which Smith has testified against Taitz by affidavit or in person.

[azishot]

Look, look! We're missing something, and it must be important since the-you-know-whos are on the thread.

LOL! You're right. Something has their fur bristling. Very interesting comments.

[BonRad]

Berg is going to be on Bill Cunningham’s show Sunday, for what its worth.

[Red Steel]

Oh, a dust up.

[danamco]

I’m bothered about an obvious hoax floating around FR for the obvious damage it brings to conservatism!...

How long have you been here on F.R.???

[Mik Taerg]

nothing

[Mik Taerg]

You seem to have confuded ideas about languages spoken in Kenya. So his is some help: http://www.communication.go.ke/kenya.asp?cat_id=5 Kiswahili is the national language and English the official language. That means the government business and education are conducted in English, while Swahili is the most widely spoken language......... # Kenya's African population is divided into three linguistic groups: Bantu. Consists of the Kikuyu, Embu, Kamba (Central and Eastern Province), Luhya, Kisii/Gusii (Western and Nyanza), Mijikenda (Coast Province) # Nilotes. Consists of the River lake- Luo, Kalenjin, Maasai and related groups( Rift Valley, Nyanza provinces) # Cushitic. Somali speaking group occupying eastern and North Eastern Over 42 distinct languages or dialects are spoken in Kenya. Swahili is a Lingua Franca (if you know what that means). So your claim that in Kenya Emglish names amount to a translation from Swahili is baseless. They can be traslations and translitterations from Swahili and from the dozens of sc birth.languages of Kenya. Just consider I have repeated the same questions. Being CGPGH a gvt institution (see the above gvt site) I would imagine them to use English as the working language not Swahili. A good number ok Kenyans don't speak Swahili which as English is mainly a commerical, wor and business Lingua Franca.

[Seizethecarp]

Thanks!

A while back I posted a thread in FR reporting that Lucas Smith, on his Youtube site, said that he had found an attorney that he thought he could work with on his own terms to bring his CPGH BC into the courts.

Now we see Phil Berg calling Lucas Smith to testify against Orly Taitz in the Rivernider case. Is Phil Berg the attorney that Lucas Smith is now working with? I don’t know. I will not press him to discuss this more than he wants to.

Smith (and Berg, if they are working together) has very limited options available for getting the CPGH BC authenticated by Kenya to be admissible as evidence under the FRE, given the corruption of the Kenyan authorities.

I don’t know what the state of Kenyan affairs is at the moment and whether they might have changed their minds to allow full access to CPGH BC records. But CIA Chief Panetta is reported to have just spent four days in Kenya on a hush-hush national security issue, which is assumed to relate to Al Qaeda, but was that really the reason?

(tip to bsteadman1 over at InspectorSmith’s Youtube site)

http://www.afriquejet.com/news/africa-news/cia-chief-visits-kenya-over-terrorism-2010012642843.html

[InspectorSmith]

Hello GreatKim aka Mik Taerg,

No, it is you that seems to be confused about everything.

No one is arguing that English is not the official language of Kenya. Since you are so fond of quoting my eBay auctions you might quote me when in my first 3 auctions I stated that English is the official language of Kenya, THAT’S HOW I WAS ABLE TO SPEAK TO PEOPLE THERE.

Now....try to pay attention Kim......what I have been saying here is that Swahili is WRITTEN in ENGLISH. There never was a written form of Swahili until (first) the Arabs taught Swahili speakers to write in Arabic (alphabet). Then (second) Europeans taught Swahili speakers to write Swahili in English (alphabet).

I know it’s difficult for you to keep focused here Kim but hopefully now you understand.

Swahili is spelled out phonetically with the ENGLISH alpahbet. Now do you understand? I don’t think I can put this in more simpleton terms. If you don’t understand than you probably wont ever understand.

By the way, you might want to stop with Google and Wikipedia searches for your sources when you speak about Africa. This just goes further to demonstrate that you’ve never been top Africa. (Yet you claim to have spent 30 years there.)

By the way, the NATIONAL language of Kenya is SWAHILI. English is the OFFICIAL language of Kenya. Again, since you are so fond of quoting my eBay auctions you might glance over my first 3 auctions and quote me where I stated that English is the official language of Kenya.

So stop with arguments about English and Kenya.

Moving on now Kim...try to keep focused. Now let’s discuss your favorite figure....Jennifer Othigo....or is that her name???

Or is her name .....”Merry Jennifer Otieno Othiga”. Is it Othigo or Othiga? Come on now Kim. Tell us. Hey, I even have an offical Kenya source here:
http://www.marsgroupkenya.org/multimedia/?StoryID=191135&storydate=2007-08-24

Then there’s .... “Jenipher Othigo”. So what is it Kim, Jennifer or Jenipher? Hey, I have a source for that one as well:
http://www.5footkitchen.com/2008/09/jambo-from-kenya.html

Then there’s...... “Mary J Othigo”.....So which is it Kim, is it Merry or is it Mary? And hey again, I even have a very official source that one. It’s a medical directory. Yippie! (I know how you so love the online Kenyan medical directories)
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2393-9-51.pdf

By the way, which is first same, is it Jennifer or is it Merry? (Not that we know how to spell either if those names).

Then we have..... “Joyce Othigo”......wow....so is her name Jennifer is it Joyce? Those darn Kenyans. I found that one on a very official document:
http://www.popcouncil.org/pdfs/frontiers/fr_finalreports/interregional_grippsuppl.pdf

Then there’s.......”Janet Othigo”....double wow....so is her name Jennifer or Jenipher or Joyce or Janet? And again I have a very official medical source”
http://www.esdproj.org/site/DocServer/USAID_AMKENI_Integrated_Model_in_Reproducive_Health_in_K.pdf?docID=901

Then again we have the “Merry Jennifer Othigo”. Another source for MERRY vs MARY. An official Kenyan source at that.
http://www.maqweb.org/iudtoolkit/policies_guidelines/kenyafpguidelines.pdf

Then we have yet another twist....”deputy administrator Jeniffer Othigo”. Notice this time that Jeniffer is spelled with double “FF” and one “N”. While on many other online sources her name is spelled with a double “NN” and only one “F”. How do you explain this Kim??? And oh dear....that one is from an online Kenyan news source:
http://allafrica.com/stories/200801020026.html

Oh dear, oh dear.....look here....the same Kenyan news outlet has spelled her name as “ hospital’s deputy administrator, Dr Jennipher Othigo”. Notice the double “NN” now. And this time there’s not even an “F” in the name, this time they us a “P”.
http://allafrica.com/stories/200801070067.html

What now Kim, how do explain all of these different spellings and complete names?

I could go on and on and on and on. The sources for her name are all over the Internet (Kenyan sources). Medical documents and other official sites.

So now Kim, let’s say that Othigo’s name (if that’s how it’s even spelled) was on the CPGH Obama birth certificate. What would you say about all of these MANY MANY MANY MANY MANY different spellings of her name(s)???

Which one is the correct spelling? Would you judge a birth certificate with Othigo’s endorsement to be a forgery based on her name’s spelling???

I have many official sources for her name’s many different spelling. So which is correct Kim?

Come on, answer the questions Kim. After all, you are the one that brought Othigo into all of this.

Stop with the simpleton answer of, “It doesn’t matter Lucas. We’re talking about Helton here Lucas, not Othigo.”

Do you know how tremendously retarded and obtuse that an answer such as that sounds?

Here you are battling it out for months now about the HELTON vs HELTAN spelling (based on Kenyan newspaper and two Kenyan online medical directories) but yet you dismiss the MANY MANY MANY spelling of Othigo’s name being not important.

Do you understand what you are saying? Are you really that much of an underachiever / simpleton? Or are you just a silly Obot that is paid to pump out disinformation?

I have MANY official sources for the spellings of Othigo’s name(s). Many more than you could ever dream of finding for Helton. I have listed many here and can list scores more from different websites which back up each spelling.

So now, after all of this, can you sort of understand what I have been saying from the outset? When people in Kenya and other African nations are spelling out words and names in Swahili, they spell them out phonetically, the way that it sounds to them.

Do you even know what the significance of “phonetic” is? Let me rephrase (that question might go over your head.) Do you know what the definition of “ phonetic” is? Quick, off to google and wikiepdia you go. Find your answer Kim.

In closing, please do attempt to respond with answers that make just a bit of sense.

Thank you.

Respectfully,
Lucas D. Smith

PS. I’ve noticed that you yourself have written over the past few months both MARY and MERRY. I suppose that now you will just stick with just “Othigo” now since that is a much safer bet. (Even though it might might be “Othiga”. But please do tell us which is correct of ALL the names, including MERRY vs MARY. And also explain why you and how you know which is correct. PLEASE DO THIS WITH ALL THE NAMES.

[Mik Taerg]

knock knock hello. Lucas wake up. Othigo has been spelled in many ways. What conclusions should I draw ? That she doesn’t exist ? That it is an “extreme mispelling” of Maganga ? Sorry Lucas however you spell her name [shouting] OTHIGO WAS THE CA OF CPGH ON FEB 19th 2009 [/shouting] and however you spell his name [yelling]MAGANGA WAS NOT CA ON FEB 19TH 2009 [/yelling]. He got appointed later on. Got it Lucas ? Have I been clear ?

Thanks for having learned form my link to kenya gvt. that Swahili is the National Language and English is the official language, so you agree, being CPGH a public hospital and being English the government language then....maybe....they do understand English at CPGH. But please Lucas, please, please,please don’t make this last phrase of mine further argument for distractions.

Stay awake and be a man. Stand up to your claims and answer me. Show some dignity in this horrific recitation of yours. Admit it, you forged it. Then get a life. You are half my years, you have time for better things, and time can help heal and forget. I understand it’s now difficult to escape your own trap. Think about it. Be wise.

OTHIGO WAS CA ON FEB 19th 2009, so why does your idiotic piece of paper bear a mispelled stamp of Dr.Maganga who got appointed between April and June 2009 ? Lucas ?

[InspectorSmith]

What a joke. Your reply is pitiful. What a simpleton. This is why no one listens to you. Go ahead an create a buddy account so that you’ll have someone to talk with.

Kim it’s time for you to find a job and some friends.