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He's a bit hard on The Patriot, but not totally wrong either.

The new book looks like a good one...

1 posted on 01/10/2010 12:08:51 PM PST by Pharmboy
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2 posted on 01/10/2010 12:12:33 PM PST by Pharmboy (The Stone Age did not end because they ran out of stones...)
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I kinda’ like King’s Mountain.


3 posted on 01/10/2010 12:17:20 PM PST by PeteB570 (NRA - Life member and Black Rifle owner)
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The real turning point was discovering the work of David Hackett Fischer, whose "Paul Revere's Ride" taught me that everything I knew about the Revolution was wrong -- and that the truth was a lot more interesting and complex than the legend.

Great book, but he certainly overlooks the contribtions of Thomas Fleming, whose Now We are Enemies predates Paul Revere's Ride by 40 years. Speaking of Fischer , have you ever heard how/why/bywhom the PC crowd (presumably) squelched Colonial Plantations which was supposed to be installment II of his magnum opus , to follow Albion's Seed? This without so much as a whimper about academic freedom being compromised?

4 posted on 01/10/2010 12:21:41 PM PST by gusopol3
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Thanks Pharmboy, Great Post! Knowing history is crucial- especially our own. We could do with less lawyers, and way more historians serving as our appointed employees (our representatives).


6 posted on 01/10/2010 12:30:33 PM PST by InkStone (PERMISSVM QVIETVS CANIS RECVBO)
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and a bit easy on Tarleton

men with reputations like that are seldom undeserving of them


7 posted on 01/10/2010 12:31:34 PM PST by silverleaf
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Paige Smith's The Shaping of America
9 posted on 01/10/2010 12:35:30 PM PST by jeffc (They're coming to take me away! Ha-ha, hey-hey, ho-ho!)
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1) I agree that generally, the RevWar has been ignored, egregiously.

2) While 1 is true, we have had more things for it in the last decade or so, including SEVERAL good “mini-series” documentaries, starting in 1994.

3) “The Patriot” was far from perfect, but it was good that it was there at all (how many RevWar ONLY movies have there ever been? And yes, I’m an OLD movie buff.). It was also good generally. Also nice that they diverted from the usual myth, that it was a war of New Englanders IN New England.


10 posted on 01/10/2010 12:36:25 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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I also dispute the view that “Brits were shown as evil brutal beasts” in the movie. Yes, it was heavy on Tarleton...em...Tavington, but many of the other Brits in charge were quite sympathetic (except for the silly representation of O’Hara as an arrogant superior lackey).


14 posted on 01/10/2010 12:42:09 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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BFL


17 posted on 01/10/2010 12:47:08 PM PST by blam
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I thought “The Patriot” was decent, but certainly not great. It is odd that there has never been a truly great movie made about the Revolution.


21 posted on 01/10/2010 12:53:58 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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The battle in “The Patriot” was an amalgam of Guilford Court House AND Cowpens [Hannah’s Cowpens, actually].


23 posted on 01/10/2010 1:15:35 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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Genealogy is often an entree into becoming a Revolutionary War buff. For southerners, much history was lost or forgotten during that pit of poverty and ignorance that ensued as a result of the so-called Civil War, and lasted nearly a century. So, it’s necessary to rediscover what was known and honored before that conflict. Many of mine went into the Civil War for the Confederacy, believing they were fighting Hessians, just as their grandfathers had fought.

Nearly every old original settler family in my area has an ancestor who fought at Guilford Courthouse, whether they’ve rediscovered it yet or not. All the Tories were routed and left the area, their properties seized and sold off. My direct paternal 4G was there at Guilford Courthouse, in Colonel Paisley’s Regiment. He was a dragoon, but had been injured on the instep by a roughshod horse, and was guarding horses at the rear. He was involved in several clashes with Tarleton’s forces elsewhere as well. Very colorful descriptions in the recounting for his pension application.

Revolutionary War pension applications are indeed a rich source for a perspective upon the conflict that you just don’t find anywhere else. It’s personal, seen from one man’s eyes, who was rarely all that influential or noteworthy, but an eyewitness nonetheless, with little reason to fabricate or provide an inaccurate representation. Piece these together, across multiple third, fourth and fifth great grandfathers (I have seven proved with five other likelies), and you get a very intriguing, very personal tale.

It appears that this author has done just that, and I applaud the effort. I live just ten miles north of Guilford Courthouse, and drive past it frequently. The public park surrounding it has wide, paved walking paths and trails that are very popular with the locals. Some areas of the park have that “feel” that you get from certain Civil War battlefields. I’ve often wanted to get my hands on an accurate map of the battle, to see just what occurred where.


33 posted on 01/10/2010 1:51:33 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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Thank you. Very interesting...


39 posted on 01/10/2010 3:18:06 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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48 posted on 01/10/2010 4:23:17 PM PST by freemike (John Adams-Liberty must at all hazards be supported. We have a right to it, derived from our Maker)
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50 posted on 01/10/2010 5:52:29 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Happy New Year! Freedom is Priceless.)
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Thanks so much for the post! I love the author's reference to David Hackett Fischer, a terrific, and underappreciated historian, IMO. AND I visited Guildford Courthouse battlefield last Sept. Well worth the visit...The museum there is informative and well-laid out.

My ancestors migrated to Guildford Courthouse with other Nantucket Quaker families on the eve of the Revolution...Nantucket and the whaling industry languished during those years, but N.C. became a little tooo exciting!

59 posted on 01/10/2010 6:36:54 PM PST by Molly Pitcher (We are Americans...the sons and daughters of liberty...*.from FReeper the Real fifi*))
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