John Birch Society and Mormon Prophecies about the US Constitution

Evangel Magazine (?) | 2002 | Dennis A. Wright

[ejonesie22]

So you don’t think that Mason’s are anti Christian? Most “traditional” Christians do.

Really?

[ansel12]

Look I know that you only just recently signed up to promote Mitt Romney and Mormonism(although you will not discuss Romney) and that you are not a fan of Governor Palin, but trying to hijack a thread with an unrelated post of another thread link seems a little over the top.

[Elsie]

 

Christ condemned one thing more than anything else and that was hypocrisies of the leaders.

 

So true: HE did.

 

And the APOSTLES felt quite strongly about some things as well...

 

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Acts 2:42
  They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.

 

 

 Acts 4:2
 They were greatly disturbed because the apostles were teaching the people and proclaiming in Jesus the resurrection of the dead.

 

 

Acts 5:42
  Day after day, in the temple courts and from house to house, they never stopped teaching and proclaiming the good news that Jesus is the Christ.

 

 

Acts 13:1

  In the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen (who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch) and Saul.

 

 

 Acts 13:12
   When the proconsul saw what had happened, he believed, for he was amazed at the teaching about the Lord.

 

 

Acts 17:18-19
 18.  A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to dispute with him. Some of them asked, "What is this babbler trying to say?" Others remarked, "He seems to be advocating foreign gods." They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection.
 19.  Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, "May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting?

 

 

Acts 18:11
    So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.

 

 

Romans 15:4
 For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through endurance and the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.

 

 

Romans 16:17
   I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put obstacles in your way that are contrary to the teaching you have learned. Keep away from them.

 

 

1 Corinthians 4:17
   For this reason I am sending to you Timothy, my son whom I love, who is faithful in the Lord. He will remind you of my way of life in Christ Jesus, which agrees with what I teach everywhere in every church.

 

 

1 Corinthians 11:2
 2.  I praise you for remembering me in everything and for holding to the teachings,  just as I passed them on to you.

 

 

Ephesians 4:14-15
 14.  Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of men in their deceitful scheming.
 15.  Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will in all things grow up into him who is the Head, that is, Christ.

 

 

2 Thessalonians 2:15
   So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the teachings  we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

 

 

2 Thessalonians 3:6
  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, we command you, brothers, to keep away from every brother who is idle and does not live according to the teaching  you received from us.

 

 

1 Timothy 1:3-4
 3.  As I urged you when I went into Macedonia, stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer
 4.  nor to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God's work--which is by faith.

 

 

1 Timothy 1:7
  They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.

 

 

1 Timothy 2:7
   And for this purpose I was appointed a herald and an apostle--I am telling the truth, I am not lying--and a teacher of the true faith to the Gentiles.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:1-2
 1.  The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
 2.  Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:6
   If you point these things out to the brothers, you will be a good minister of Christ Jesus, brought up in the truths of the faith and of the good teaching that you have followed.

 

 

1 Timothy 4:11
  Command and teach these things.

 

 

1 Timothy 6:3-5
 3.  If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching,
 4.  he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 
 5.  and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.

 

 

2 Timothy 1:13
  What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus.

 

 

 2 Timothy 2:15-17
 15.  Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth.
 16.  Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly.
 17.  Their teaching will spread like gangrene.

 

 

2 Timothy 3:16-17
 16.  All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,
 17.  so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

 

 

 2 Timothy 4:3-4
  3.  For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
  4.  They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

 

 

Titus 1:11
   They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach--and that for the sake of dishonest gain.

 

 

Titus 2:1
  You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine.

 

 

Titus 2:15
  These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

 

 

 Hebrews 13:9
 Do not be carried away by all kinds of strange teachings.

 

 

 2 Peter 2:1-3
 1.  But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
 2.  Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
 3.  In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

 

 

2 John 1:10
  If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him.

[Elsie]

 

You guys have so much fun bashing Mormons over in the Religion Forum.

 

Where else?

 

We can't afford a statue!!

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 The LDS Organization® prints Hundreds of Thousands of THIS yearly!

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. When the light had departed, I had no strength; but soon recovering in some degree, I went home. And as I leaned up to the fireplace, mother inquired what the matter was. I replied, “Never mind, all is well—I am well enough off.” I then said to my mother,

“I have learned for myself that Presbyterianism is not true.”

 

 

The LDS headquarters; in the heart of a modern  US city, visited by THOUSANDS daily, has this placed in prominent view:

 

 

...which reiterates the charge that

"they were all wrong; they teach for doctrines the commandments of men".

[Elsie]

 

I see absolutely no value in rising to your bait, or anyone else’s. Do what you will.

 

Ok; we will.

 

2 Corinthians 11:12
And I will keep on doing what I am doing in order to cut the ground from under those who want an opportunity to be considered equal with us in the things they boast about.

[Elsie]

If you feel so inclined, ask the mods to move it to the religion forum so you can do what you like to do unbridled.

I don't feel restrained - how 'bout the rest of you Flying Inmen? (and ladies; too)

[cva66snipe]

No many of today's churches by in large are fallen. Why? Look in the pulpits and see who they allow. Look at their doctrines and see what they condone or support. Deism as far as I know exist today in this nation mainly in one church and that is Unitarian. Thiomas Jefferson {edited} the Bible used there. The practice of Deism although the theory had existed for ages and was strong in the UK became prominent from around 1600-1800 here. It died out and not many it seems stayed with it for life.

As for the founding father beliefs? I'd say it's like most people many as they age become more conservative in their religious beliefs both by reading and through personal experience and soon find out for themselves by revelation through The Holy Spirit the truth.

Churches today in many places are falling or fallen and it's beyond a any one denomination problem many have been affected and many have such within their clergy. The more conservative churches are removing such from their leadership positions. Others of the more liberal sects are chosing them as pastors.

Ones allowing such abandon even the very basic laws and commandments GOD gave. I'm talking about the adoption of policies supporting gay marriages, gay clergy, etc. But the one church I see as doing the most harm to the nation as a whole is the United Church of Christ. Look up separation of church and state and see who heads it and profession. Not to be confused with the far more conservative Church of Christ. As I understand it maybe 3 of the 55 were not actually active members of a church. Then again neither am I.

If anyone is trully seeking and reading the Bible I don't think they could remain a Deist for long. There is but one sin which can not be forgiven a person. Blasphemy of The Holy Spirit which brings the absolute rejection of Jesus Christ. It is a state of ones heart so hardened toward GOD it will not change.

[Elsie]

The Mormon bashers usually equally rail against the Masons.

There goes our SINGLE ISSUE status!

[Elsie]

Palin believed candidacy ‘God’s plan’

Still DOES!

Will still next year, too!

[cva66snipe]

As I understand it maybe 3 of the 55 were not actually active members of a church. Then again neither am I.

That was meant to be posted about the formers of the U.S. Constitution.

[ansel12]

Not really what I was asking about, unless your answer was that all the founding fathers were Christians and that they, and the people they served were more Christian than today.

"Fifty two men of the 55 who formed the Constitution were active Christians. Although many of them by today's church standards would be rejected because they were Deist."
"Which ones were not Christians and which ones would not have been allowed in our current Christian churches? You think that current America is more Christian than our founding fathers, and presumably the Americans that they served? "

[Clemenza]

Happy clappy “Yuz Jay-Sus luvs me” Churchianity is a product of the Second Great Awakening, and was largely a movement of the rural masses. The founding fathers were a combination of deists, congregationalists, and Episcopalians. All were suspicious of clerical influence on the government, and most had no love for Rome.

[ansel12]

Of course they were almost all Protestant Christians, I think that 2 or 3 were Catholic Christians.

I’m not aware of any of them that denied Christ, or that were atheists.

[cva66snipe]

LDS is a relatively young church. It has radically changed from the days of it's beginnings. I don't believe they are Pagans nor headed to hell for that matter. All young churches have a learning period and it was no different with even those Christ chose and immediate ones to follow. Look at some of their petty senseless arguments amongst themselves. Arguments that today we see as trivial and why was it such a big deal with them. The cutting of ones skin as an example {just trying to be polite OK :>} Look at what it finally took to get them to leave Jerusalem and begin The Great Commission. What were they doing early on and then what were they told to do by Christ? Did he say stay in Judea and live together? He smites the flock and they scattered taking The Gospel with them.

The Holy Spirit will lead all people and all churches who seek the Lord to the truth in the Lords anointed time. Considering the LDS church of today vs it's early days a lot has happened and changed in a short period of time. Remember as well even the Israelites took many, many, years to teach. We want things right here and right now changed. GOD gave us time for our own needs but as such our time and GOD's time are not the same thing.

[cva66snipe]

LOL. The founding fathers the ones who turned to Christ for salvation would be as Christian as The Pope or Billy Graham. or the missionary serving in China. Nothing makes one person more Christian than another. That judgment and decision can come only from GOD after we depart here when our deeds are judged and we receive reward or rebuke from GOD. GOD does not play favorites in that respect.

[Ripliancum]

Is this the White Moose prophecy?

[reaganaut]

Someone on here told me not too long ago they were a member for years and then quit.

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There are several EX-LDS here on FR.

[reaganaut]

Time to move on... It’s been fun people.

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Way to defend the faith, Rip.

LoL.

[reaganaut]

As I understand it, every male Mormon in good standing over the age of 12 is an “elder”.

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Every “worthy” male member of the LDS over the age of 12 is ordained to the LDS priesthood. “Elder” is one of the offices of the second or “higher” priesthood.

LDS priesthood goes like this:

# Deacon - Age 12
# Teacher - Age 14
# Priest - Age 14
# Elder - Around age 18/19; for converts soon after baptism
# High priest - Adult men usually after they have been called as a “bishop”.

[T Minus Four]

got it