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Posted on 01/09/2010 1:39:54 PM PST by GaltTrader
We are doing our annual review of emergency preparedness supplies and procedures. One possible situation is closure of commercial ammunition sources during a civil unrest situation.
We would appreciate opinions on the most likely and second most likely available hand gun ammo in such a situation.
I researched this matter longand hard waaaay before the elections in 2008..
From the “Guns in America 1994” survey:
“The NSPOF-based estimate for the total number of
privately owned firearms is 192 million: 65 million
handguns, 70 million rifles, 49 million shotguns,
and 8 million other long guns (exhibit 4). Of the
handguns, 48 percent were revolvers, 40 percent
semiautomatics, and 12 percent were reported as
“some other type of handgun” by respondents.”
“...68 percent of handgun owners also owned at least one rifle or shotgun...”
I started building my cache...I mean “collection” before the “ammo rush of 2009” kicked in...I wrote down different possible SHTF scenario(s) and analyzed those taking into consideration my family composition (wife, teenagers), residence (suburban, siding construction, open corner, easy access to main arteries and hwys), etc...Then I researched about the most common PISTOL round used by LEA in the USA (9MM), Federal LEA’s (.40). NATO countries use the 9MM ball round (international war rules). Then I thought about what is the best selling battle rifle in the USA (AR-15)/the US military standard round (5.56/.223 Remington). Then I factored in that there are 70-100 million of AK-47 rifles in the world using the 7.62x39mm round. Yet, I felt that I could not ignore the fact that many hunters in North America (as well as snipers) prefer the .308 Winchester/7.62x51mm round, and that Ruger has sold ZILLIONS of 10/22’s. Let us no forget the trusty .38 Special revolver, easy to conceal, and great for backup weapon and females due to low recoil.
Last but not least, the most common home defense weapon in America (I just made that up!) is the .12 GA pump-action shotgun... (which almost all LEA agencies have (I also made that up!! LOL)...
Bottom line for me was to:
1. Be able to hole up inside my property, defend my neighborhood (with extra ammo and weapons to lend to TRUSTED neighbors), to be able to “procure” ammo should I ran out (doubt it...;>), being able to find replacement magazines, ammo, spare parts, etc ANYWHERE in the USA should I have to bug-out, well...you get my drift.
Sooooooo, after watching “Red Dawn” and “Jericho” many times over...I decided to concentrate on the following “delivery platforms”:
AR-15 + 5.56mm/.223 rds - for neighborhood defense/medium range/
AK-47 + 7.62 rds - for swarms of zombies, in case we get invaded by Cubans or the UN....
10/22 + .22 cal rds - for my teenagers, for assassinations, etc, squirrels, birds, rabbit stew...
9MM semi-auto + 9mm rds - CQB/home defense
.38 Spl 6-shooter + .38Spl rds. - back up, wife / safe-room
.12GA - CQB/safe room/bed room defense.
Of course, lest you forget, just like your car cannot run without gas (or vegetable oil, if you have a modified diesel >)), you need BEACOUP ammo AND magazines to feed your machine...comprende???
.22LR
9mm
.40S&W (most local police agencies, plus darn near ALL the Feds use it)
Honorable mentions to .38 Special and .45 because some police agencies and such still use it.
For rifles:
.223
7.62x39
.308/7.62 NATO
.30-06
.30-30
Shotguns:
12gauge.
I’m more partial towards the .308, a legitimate hunting round that won’t raise too many eyebrows even if you are using an M1A for hunting.
I toyed with the idea of a derringer in .45-70, than thought firearms that cause pain to the fire-ee are counter productive.
bump
As it says on the box “ Range one mile, be careful/ (22LR)
9 mm HP was scarce for a while
NATO 7.62 x 51mm round is same as .308 Winchester. Although it may not be available at local Walmart or Carter Country in a crisis, they can be found lying on the ground next to any former U.N. forces.
goodping
I am one of the last persons to get to fire a flame thrower during AIT training at Fort Polk in 1974.
That thing has more recoil than you would believe. Like trying to hold onto a big water hose. But it was very fun.
I am a Lover NOT a Fighter!
Here’s a guy that might be rolling his own:
sell me your lead or copper or batteries (408-417-1618)
Date: 2010-01-09, 1:57PM PST
Reply to: sale-qftdd-1545123924@craigslist.org [Errors when replying to ads?]
i will pick up and load
and pay cash
call me at 408 417 1618
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/wan/1545123924.html
(BTW commercial recyclers in Silicon Valley are paying one dollar for car batteries.)
I would say 9mm Parabellum (Luger) and 5.56 X 45 NATO for use in a Bushmaster Carbon 15 or similiar. Both should be available in copious quantities at your local NG or AR Armory when the SHTF. Ensure you have multi-thousands of both caliber prior to the SHTF.
I bought 3, 100 round value packs of Winchester 9mm Luger 115 GR. FMJ at Walmart today in Brewer, ME and could have bought 7 more. But two days ago at Walmart in Bangor, ME, the only pistol ammo they had was two 50 round boxes of Federal 40 S&W 180 GR FMJ FN, which I bought, and one box of 44 Rem Mag. Bangor had 6 or 7 boxes of Federal 223 in 100 round value packs two days ago, but Brewer had none today. I believe you need to go regular and buy it when it’s there.
Hey, just what you see pal.
What’s more is that they are perfectly legal. Folks that deal with bees use them all the time. You can even make your own.
shoot whatever the cops are shooting
Not so.
‘Love those Rugers.
Close enough.
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