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Not Everything is Recyclable (Bomb squad called after someone left 155mm. howitzer round @dump)
SeattleCrime.com ^
| January 4, 2009
| Jonah Spangenthal-Lee
Posted on 01/04/2010 10:25:11 AM PST by Stoat
Not Everything is Recyclable
Seattle police shut down several streets in Wallingford and called out the bomb squad this morning
after staff at the North Seattle Transfer Station found that someone had tried to dispose of explosives at the facility.
The call came in around 9:45 after an employee reported that they'd found a live 155mm roundlike those used in Howitzer cannonsin a recycling bin.
The bomb squad recovered the explosives and police reopened the streets around the facility shortly before 10 a.m.
And now I think we can all agree that recycling and terrorism are practically the same thing.
TOPICS: Local News; Miscellaneous; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: howitzer; napl; recycling; seattle; washington; washingtonstate
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To: Slings and Arrows
Thank you very much for pinging your list and assisting with spreading the message about the importance of recycling...I keep hoping that algore might take it upon himself to make a film where he personally demonstrates the proper methods of recycling live military ordnance...particularly the more unstable stuff :-)
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posted on
01/04/2010 11:23:56 AM PST
by
Stoat
(Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
To: All
UPDATE from SeattleCrime.com:
Update 11:30 a.m. We're trying to confirm whether the dump is still closed. SPD says they've reopened the streets around the facility, but the department also called in the Explosive Ordinance Disposal team from Ft. Lewis and they're apparently still at the scene. We've heard that folks are being turned away from the dump while bomb techs are on-scene, but neither SPD nor Seattle Public Utilitieswhich runs the transfer stationcould confirm.
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posted on
01/04/2010 11:41:05 AM PST
by
Stoat
(Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
To: All
Update from KOMOTV:
Dump workers find live cannon round in recycling Wallingford News
(edit)
Seattle Police closed nearby streets and called in their bomb squad after the call came in at 8:45 a.m., Det. Mark Jamieson said.
The bomb squad secured the scene, but police called a Dept. of Defense explosives team from Ft. Lewis to take over because it is a military explosive.
"Theyre kind of the subject matter experts on that," Jamieson said. "If it was some other type of explosive, wed probably handle it."
Jamieson said he's not sure if the artillery round has yet been removed from the dump, but, he said, "Nobody is in any danger. It has been rendered safe."
He said he's not sure how the workers were able to correctly identify the exact type explosive, which is typically used in cannons, but they apparently knew their stuff.
"They told us and we confirmed it," he said.
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posted on
01/04/2010 11:48:44 AM PST
by
Stoat
(Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
To: Stoat
I keep hoping that algore might take it upon himself to make a film where he personally demonstrates the proper methods of recycling live military ordnance...He's the expert.
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posted on
01/04/2010 12:19:36 PM PST
by
Slings and Arrows
(HALP UZ AL GOR. PLEEZ SEND GLOBUL WARMING.)
To: Stoat
Years ago when I was much, much younger - I moved into an
apartment and found a box of 12ga. shotgun shells on the
top shelf of a linen closet.
Since I had a 12 gauge I kept them with intents of using them, but never did.
I still have them to this day, as I am not sure what to do with them since I don’t want to shoot them. I always shot the shells I bought.
What do you do with ammo like that?
Is it safe to use if you don’t know the age at all?
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posted on
01/04/2010 1:09:52 PM PST
by
Verbosus
(/* No Comment */)
To: Stoat
You mean they wouldn’t accept it in curb-side recycling?
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posted on
01/04/2010 2:05:00 PM PST
by
matt1234
To: Retain Mike
I was scared to death of those big flares,really careful
when I fired one off.
Remember seeing those big shells along the side of the road
where they had fallen off the 2 1/2 tns.Even the g**ks left
them alone.
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posted on
01/04/2010 2:07:16 PM PST
by
Harold Shea
(RVN `70 - `71)
To: All
UPDATE from Seattle Police Department:
SPD Blotter » Live Smoke Projectile found in dumpster
Live Smoke Projectile found in dumpster
On 01-04-2010 at 9:30 a.m., a dumpster was being emptied at a Transfer Station in the 1300 block of N 34 St. In the debris the employees found an OD green-colored 155 millimeter Howitzer round.
Arson Bomb Detectives responded to the scene. The US Army Explosive Technicians out of Fort Lewis was notified and responded.
It was determined the artillery round (a M116) originated and was manufactured in 1951, and was in fact a live Smoke Projectile complete with a small bursting charge. The projectile was secured by the US Army Technicians and returned to the military base for proper disposal.
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posted on
01/04/2010 4:52:18 PM PST
by
Stoat
(Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
To: GonzoGOP
I wonder how long that thing has been kicking around.From the update at post #28:
It was determined the artillery round (a M116) originated and was manufactured in 1951,
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posted on
01/04/2010 4:56:25 PM PST
by
Stoat
(Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
To: Stoat
Not as bad as it could have been, but 59 year old high explosives are never a good thing. Artillery needs to have a use by date.
God created everything for a reason, Taliban are for getting rid of ammo before it goes bad.
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posted on
01/04/2010 5:02:11 PM PST
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: Verbosus
What do you do with ammo like that?
Is it safe to use if you dont know the age at all?A quick web search yielded these answers:
Frequently Asked Questions (Cartridgecollectors.org)
Is old ammunition safe to shoot?
We cannot answer that, even if we see the ammunition. While it may be a desirable collector item, it may be useless for the shooter. Primers can lose (or increase) their sensitivity, propellant charges can deteriorate and fail to burn or burn improperly. Cartridge cases may become brittle and split or rupture when fired. Bullets may become stuck in cases from reaction between different types of metals, or they may change physical dimensions from oxidation or chemical reactions. Age, storage conditions, temperature extremes, and original manufacturing practices may vary greatly and two similar cartridges stored under different conditions may or may not be equally suitable for use. Old ammunition should be saved only as collector items, not for actual use. It is better to spend a few dollars on new ammunition than to risk a misfire or worse which might damage a valuable gun (or the shooter) by using old ammunition of questionable condition.
Google Answers Disposing of old shot gun shells
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Most law enforcement agencies have a policy in place that provides for
the collection and destruction of dangerous materials such as
ammunition, biohazards, chemicals, etc. Call your local law
enforcement agency and explain that you have some old DAMAGED AND
POSSIBLY UNSTABLE ammunition that you would like to turn in for
disposal. They will, most likely, accept it and may even come out and
collect it directly from your home.
(edit)
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posted on
01/04/2010 5:25:44 PM PST
by
Stoat
(Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
To: Slings and Arrows
GREAT picture...just amazing, thanks! :-)
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posted on
01/04/2010 5:29:24 PM PST
by
Stoat
(Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
To: bravo whiskey; EODGUY; neverdem; NicknamedBob; CPOSharky; patton; AFPhys; CholeraJoe
when i was a 107mm mortar platoon leader at grafenwoehr BRD in 76 i had a 108mm round that would not fit down the tube. tried to turn it into eod and they asked if it was defective. i said it wouldnt fit in the tube. they replied yes but is it defective? Confuseus say, “One who loads mortar shells in tube turned for end often end up without an end on either end.”
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posted on
01/04/2010 5:31:14 PM PST
by
Robert A Cook PE
(I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
To: matt1234
You mean they wouldnt accept it in curb-side recycling?I would imagine that the owner was concerned that it would be an extra-charge item or that he would be fined for placing it in the wrong container ;-)
"wink"
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posted on
01/04/2010 5:32:52 PM PST
by
Stoat
(Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
To: Stoat
Well, yes, but your research still didn’t answer the question: “Is (was) this 155 mm bullet (er, cannonshell) “safe to shoot?”
After all, one would not to squander unnecessarily the rare opportunity to shoot this down at the ole skeet range, would you?
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posted on
01/04/2010 5:35:24 PM PST
by
Robert A Cook PE
(I can only donate monthly, but socialists' ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
To: GonzoGOP
Artillery needs to have a use by date. I wonder if the military uses RFID chips to track these like your local grocery story uses them to track food and other merchandise?
I would imagine that their inventory methods have improved a bit since 1951....or at least I sincerely hope so ;-)
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posted on
01/04/2010 5:37:22 PM PST
by
Stoat
(Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
To: Robert A. Cook, PE
In all fairness, the original question from FReeper Verbosus was about 12-gauge shotgun shells but even though I would LOVE to fire one of these 155mm shells, whether a smoker or any other, the notion of its age causing it to rupture the barrel would tend to give me pause.....I’ve heard that large pieces of shrapnel can be difficult to remove from certain body regions....
I’m usually not the “hold muh beer an’ watch this!” sort of guy, as witnessed by my full original complement of fingers and no major scarring ;-)
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posted on
01/04/2010 5:48:25 PM PST
by
Stoat
(Sarah Palin 2012: A Strong America Through Unapologetic Conservatism)
To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Grafenwoehr - done that. Check.
Upside-down mortor round - done that. Check.
You never saw a range get so quiet. Range NCO from behind a bunker - “Pick up the tube and shake it!”
Me - “WTFO?”
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posted on
01/04/2010 7:38:50 PM PST
by
patton
(Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
To: Stoat
You’re welcome. I get the feeling that for Gore, licking the flagpole once wasn’t enough.
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posted on
01/04/2010 9:22:30 PM PST
by
Slings and Arrows
(HALP UZ AL GOR. PLEEZ SEND GLOBUL WARMING.)
To: Harold Shea
The flares I thought about stealing were an aluminum tube about 1.5 inches wide and 16 inches long. We had a case of them on the bridge of our ship when on station off the river mouth. To light it off you took off the cap, placed it on the other end, and then hit that end with your palm. When I and other officers had OOD bridge watches on boring nights, we often set one off on the port side, which was away from the Captain’s stateroom. We never got any questions from other ships in the area about what the he?? we thought we were doing. The Captain had to notice there were fewer flares in the wooden case each day, but never made a comment. He was a great leader and always picked the right issues. We operated with running lights at night and were well out of range of any ordinance the VC could send our way.
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