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Son sharing father's name and so on....
December 16, 2009 | myknowledge

Posted on 12/15/2009 9:14:21 PM PST by myknowledge

Have you ever heard of guys whose names end in Sr., Jr. III, IV, V and so on?

They sure sound aristocratic, but this naming practice of naming sons after their fathers is seemingly predominant in the United States, a country with no royal family.

Would you name your son after his father?

Note that this naming practice exists in Western family names. It is nonexistent in non-Western family names. (e.g. Vietnamese families, sort of like mine, do NOT name sons after fathers because it would be awkward.)

Today, a 'Timothy James Tate V' would be a 1 in 300m chance but maybe a 'Paul Webster III', and have a chance to see a 'Duncan Henry Broughton Jr.' or 'William Robert Coleman Jr.' in your lifetime.

Also, would you want a grandson to have your full name with a III, a great-grandson with a IV, a great-great grandson with a V and so forth? That'd be aristocratically interesting!


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To: myknowledge

which makes me wonder how B.Obama is a II? Generally, II is not used (tho it can be)


21 posted on 12/15/2009 9:46:33 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: zerosix

>>Imagine, “Barack Hussein Usamma Obama White!”<<

Get ready for it.

Now, “Tabatha” seems quite benign...

And “Hillary” will probably never make a comeback. That name is like “Gilligan” and is shelved forever.


22 posted on 12/15/2009 9:48:12 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: myknowledge

My father, myself & my first son all share the same name. He was I, I am II, and my son is III. I hope he continues the tradition.


23 posted on 12/15/2009 9:54:56 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: myknowledge

In my small town, I have noted, with some sadness, the high number of Jr’s on the WWII memorial plaque.


24 posted on 12/15/2009 9:59:37 PM PST by lack-of-trust
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To: myknowledge

I traced my wifes lineage back 19 generations to the year 1292. It lead to a man named John Atte Woode (later became Atwood) and his wife Petronella. I have tried to get one of the kids to name a baby girl “Petronella”, just to close the loop. They are not buying it.

.....Bob


25 posted on 12/15/2009 9:59:55 PM PST by Lokibob (When handed lemons...Refuse to sign for them. Life's lemons can't be delivered without a signature.)
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To: freedumb2003

Randal was rich, the kid will be fine. Also the mother was plenty young enough.


26 posted on 12/15/2009 10:01:28 PM PST by mamelukesabre
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To: freedumb2003
And “Hillary” will probably never make a comeback.

I bet it will. It will just take fifty or sixty years, until no one (except the very old) remembers her.

27 posted on 12/15/2009 10:02:39 PM PST by Huntress (Who the hell are you to tell me what's in my best interests?)
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To: mamelukesabre

>>Randal was rich, the kid will be fine. Also the mother was plenty young enough.<<

That pile of money will be great fun this Christmas. Maybe it can do a version of an MJ song like the Geico wad with the googly-eyes.


28 posted on 12/15/2009 10:11:24 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: gubamyster

My son is the III as well.

Problem in today’s world is the old world way of dropping the Sr, Jr, III when the eldest dies.

Imagine having to change your name from Elmer Fudd III to Elmer Fudd Jr.
IRS goes nuts, SS refuses the change, Obama says your name is Elmer Mud.


29 posted on 12/15/2009 10:14:06 PM PST by carolina71
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To: carolina71

ooops, the old world way was Henry the VIII and then there was Henry the 18th.

The new world way is drop one and adopt the previous name.


30 posted on 12/15/2009 10:15:19 PM PST by carolina71
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To: freedumb2003

Give my love to Auntie freedumb2003!
Your devoted nephew, OOS


31 posted on 12/15/2009 10:15:40 PM PST by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: gubamyster

Where I grew up, a Jr had the name of the father, a II carried the name of an uncle or grandparent. My son was named after male relatives on both sides of the family and his middle name is after my Dad.


32 posted on 12/15/2009 10:39:12 PM PST by ozaukeemom (Is it 2012 yet?)
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To: myknowledge

My father was Robert Charles.
His son (my brother), is Robert Allen.
My brother’s son (my nephew) is Robert Matthew.

Same first name to carry on the tradition, but different middle names to avoid the Sr., Jr. III, IV, V, etc.

Same thing on my mother’s side, with my uncle, cousin (his som), and cousin’s son all named Daniel with different middle names.


33 posted on 12/15/2009 10:41:03 PM PST by BlessedBeGod (New Wizard of Oz: Pelosi as the Wicked Witch of the West & Michelle as the Wicked Witch of the East.)
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To: ozaukeemom

My mother didn’t want me being called Junior, so they went with II.


34 posted on 12/15/2009 10:41:26 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster

Sounds ‘hereditary’, ain’t it?


35 posted on 12/15/2009 11:01:54 PM PST by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: BlessedBeGod

I was supposed to be named after my grandfather, but my mom wanted a “beautiful” sounding name, so she named me “Alonzo”. I hated it. So when I grew up, I just went by my grandfather’s name, which is also my middle name; Lee.


36 posted on 12/15/2009 11:07:25 PM PST by TypeZoNegative (Pro life & Vegan because I respect all life, Republican because our enemies don't respect ours.)
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To: papasmurf

Well, “Papa Smurf” is unbelievably elegant. :P

(How have you been?)


37 posted on 12/15/2009 11:49:29 PM PST by Politicalmom (Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government. -- James Madison)
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To: myknowledge

My family’s naming tradition:

First born Son get his own first name
Takes his dad’s family (last) name
Takes his Mom’s side Grandfather’s first name as his middle name.

Second born Son, the same but takes Dad’s side Grandfather’s first name as his middle name.

Third born Son and subsequent sons are given their own and unique middle name.

Daughters follow the similar pattern for their middle names with taking their Grandmother’s name but from the opposite side of the first Dad side Grandmother then Mom side Grandmother


38 posted on 12/16/2009 12:22:50 AM PST by taxcontrol
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To: outofsalt

LOL — good lad.

:)


39 posted on 12/16/2009 4:03:34 AM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: gubamyster
My mother didn’t want me being called Junior, so they went with II.

LOL. My sister and her husband wanted her son named after his father but was adamant that no one would call him "Junior". To help prevent it, they opted for "II". In the hospital they told her "II" is reserved for naming from another family member, usually an uncle (which she already knew)." She still insisted on "II" so that's what is on his birth certificate. No one has ever called him "Junior".

40 posted on 12/16/2009 4:09:30 AM PST by youturn (Conference, Christine!)
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