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China's Tank Of The Future
Strategy Page ^ | December 11, 2009

Posted on 12/13/2009 10:04:17 PM PST by myknowledge

China is working on a new tank design, one that will replace their current M-1 killer, the Type 99A2. According to the director of the China North Vehicle Research Institute, their next generation tank will be smaller and lighter than the 60 ton Type 99A2. The new tank will have a crew of two and rely on missiles as its main weapon. The new tank will have many more sensors and an active defense (small missiles taking out incoming anti-tank missiles). The sensors will enable the two man crew to see what is all around them, and be connected electronically with other tanks, and units, in the area. This enables a "Battle Management System" to provide the tank with good awareness of what's going on around it, and makes it possible to find and destroy targets quickly.

Meanwhile, two years ago, China completed development of the new version of its Type 99 tank, the Type 99A2. This model has improved reactive armor, as well as fixes to the engine, electronics and mechanical components. This is China's most powerful tank, and is based on the Russian T-80 (which is itself based on the T-72).

A lot of Chinese believe that, on paper, it's new Type 99 tank is a match for the American M-1. For protection, the Type 99 has 500-600mm or armor, plus two layers of reactive army, giving it the equivalent of 1,000-1,200mm of armor. China believes the maximum penetration of the M-1 120mm gun is 810mm. China believes that the protection on the M-1 is 600-700mm, and states that the Type 99 main gun can penetrate 850mm (or 950mm with a new shell design.)

However, China has only produced about 400 Type 99s (of all models) so far. There are several reasons for this. First, the cost (about $2 million per tank). This is more than twice as much as other Chinese built tanks cost. There are some practical considerations, as well. The Type 99 is too heavy for many Chinese bridges, not to mention railroad equipment. Most Chinese tanks are closer to 40 tons, while the Type 99 is closer to 60 tons. Nevertheless, the Type 99 continues to get improvements (like an active defense system seen on a few vehicles).

The performance data on the Type 99 (also called the ZTZ-99) is not official. There is very little in the way of official weapons performance data coming out of the Chinese government. At the same time, the Chinese military leaks real, and inflated, data for PR purposes. While China is not a democracy, in this age of the Internet, public opinion can have an influence when the military budget is being put together each year.

Developing the Type 99A2 seems to indicate that more will be produced, or existing ones will be upgraded (or both options may be carried out.) But China seems to believe that developing the new, two man, tank is a better option. This would leapfrog other nations, like the United States, which have thousands of M-1 tanks.


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: china; mbt; pla; type99

A perfect rival for the U.S. M1A2 Abrams MBT.


1 posted on 12/13/2009 10:04:17 PM PST by myknowledge
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2 posted on 12/13/2009 10:08:32 PM PST by aruanan
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To: myknowledge

so this is the method they might use to get there money back :(


3 posted on 12/13/2009 10:12:58 PM PST by lmarie373 (*These little guys might look cute and cuddly, but trust us: they will kill you.-on emanuel brothers)
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I wonder where their technology came from? That fire control looks some what familiar.


4 posted on 12/13/2009 10:35:19 PM PST by JoSixChip (It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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Whoops, I guess I was looking at the Abrams. I knew I had seen it before.
5 posted on 12/13/2009 10:39:31 PM PST by JoSixChip (It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: myknowledge
that won't stand a chance against our next-gen tanks:


6 posted on 12/13/2009 10:43:28 PM PST by sten
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To: sten

hahahah..daleks always a favourite...

on a serious note...there is a shot trap on the front right (if facing) on the turret...good luck with that china...


7 posted on 12/13/2009 10:54:02 PM PST by Irishguy
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To: myknowledge
The Abrams Main Battle Tank isn't the only thing that Chinese tank will be facing on the battlefield.


8 posted on 12/13/2009 11:06:17 PM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (The light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash...)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
Or other tanks like India's T-90S.

Or India's Arjun


9 posted on 12/13/2009 11:24:11 PM PST by myknowledge (F-22 Raptor: World's Largest Distributor of Sukhoi parts!)
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To: aruanan
A lot of Chinese believe that, on paper, it's new Type 99 tank is a match for the American M-1. For protection, the Type 99 has 500-600mm or armor, plus two layers of reactive armor, giving it the equivalent of 1,000-1,200mm of armor. China believes the maximum penetration of the M-1 120mm gun is 810mm. China believes that the protection on the M-1 is 600-700mm, and states that the Type 99 main gun can penetrate 850mm (or 950mm with a new shell design.)

Hey guys.. if you think the kluge of layers of reactive armor make you an M1 killer you seem to forger that a layers of reactive armor can be added to the M1 just as easy

10 posted on 12/13/2009 11:40:42 PM PST by tophat9000 (Obama plans to fix America like he fixed his dog)
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Layers of reactive armor also add tons of weight and slow the speed advantage too.

That Indian tank looks a lot like a Leopard any German connection?


11 posted on 12/14/2009 12:34:39 AM PST by PittsburghAfterDark
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From a country that cant make drywall that doesn’t destroy houses?


12 posted on 12/14/2009 12:38:26 AM PST by When do we get liberated? (STATE CONTROLLED ECONOMIES SUCK ! LONG LIVE AMERICA.)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
Layers of reactive armor also add tons of weight and slow the speed advantage too.

Well that kind of the point ... "China's Tank Of The Future" is relying on reactive armor ... that not a breakthrough unique to that tank... it a workaround that can be added to any tank... it something you add to and older tank to stretch it useful life on the battlefields... that why Israel love this stuff on there older tanks to get by.. it a cheap fix ...

13 posted on 12/14/2009 12:53:57 AM PST by tophat9000 (Obama plans to fix America like he fixed his dog)
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16 posted on 12/14/2009 5:25:43 AM PST by alfa6
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To: sten; Irishguy

Fun Dalek image; contains 4-letter anglo-saxonism, hence the link instead of just posting it.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Lq0_vUjdsNo/SXJdwvN2FOI/AAAAAAAAAks/tXTwFi75wrg/s400/Dalek_stairs.jpg


17 posted on 12/14/2009 6:35:34 AM PST by FreedomPoster (No Representation without Taxation!)
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To: myknowledge

I wonder how maintenance intensive these new tanks are going to be.


18 posted on 12/14/2009 7:49:46 AM PST by Eaker (Kaiden sez, "If you have a problem and If explosives are an option then explosives are THE answer.")
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India has some beautiful looking tanks.


19 posted on 12/14/2009 7:59:14 PM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (The light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash...)
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To: PittsburghAfterDark
That Indian tank looks a lot like a Leopard any German connection?

Good catch.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arjun_(tank)

...the Arjun relied heavily on foreign components and technology. DRDO received major design assistance from Krauss Maffei, the developer of the German Leopard 2 tank, and several other German firms. As a result, Arjun's design is very similar to that of Leopard 2A4 tank..

20 posted on 12/14/2009 8:09:20 PM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (The light at the end of the tunnel might be a muzzle flash...)
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