Posted on 11/24/2009 9:03:53 PM PST by SunkenCiv
It was sort of a trick question since the kind of monitor used in the new iMac is kind of expensive. Try pricing a 27” LED-backlit, glass-covered monitor using IPS technology with at least that resolution.
For some reason you seem to think they should have to pay again if they want a replacement. I can only say I am glad you aren't running a computer company!
As for me not giving a damn but taking time to comment it was because of your totally idiotic remarks about people being terrible because they expected to get a replacement at no cost to them.
A remark that stupid transcends computer and OS brands, is goes into the realm of total stupidity.
I don’t need an ips monitor. I am hooked up by HDMI to my 32 inch HD Vizio for movies. Plus the extra things I can include in my build and having a processor speed that Intel hasn’t even sold yet make up for any extra monitor feature. No trick question at all. Nice try.
If that is the case, is there a protective plastic film on the front of the glass -- that is holding the pieces together?
If the glass is, indeed, free-floating, the damage must have been shipping/handling related. OR, the shipment packaging failed, BIG TIME...
I still say that Apple should study how the FSTV folks package their products for shipment...
Thanks for the info/insight!
The packaging is pretty good, and IIRC there was a film over the glass, but not for structural support, only for protection against scratching or dust.
The glass is held on well enough for any normal handling. It is possible that since the glass is no longer completely surrounded by the frame, it can shift enough on heavy impact to break against it. The photo looks like that may be the case.
FWIW, the Apple packaging is the best I’ve ever seen for a computer.
Then we're back to the kicker in any argument like this -- you paying for the features you want. Obviously you don't value that aspect of the Mac that is superior to your system, especially with a low-resolution (less than 1/3 the pixels), fluorescent-backlit Vizio monitor. You can't make any absolute statement that the Mac is over-priced, only that you don't want to pay for the features it has.
BTW, your movies will be a bit smaller on the Mac's monitor, but they'll look a LOT better. A TV your size with the Mac's picture quality (but still not quite the resolution) would run you well over $1,000.
Don’t get me started...who in their right mind specs out a system with a 27 inch ips monitor and runs it with a laughable 4850?
I didn’t say the Mac was over priced. That’s you talkin. The question was show me a system for the same price with similar specs and I’ll eat my mouse. I answered. You wanna argue, I suggest you read my specs over again.
My processor, if you could buy it, would cost you well over $1000. It cost me $250. My memory bandwidth is far greater. How’s that crossfire working out for you? Obviously you don’t value that aspect of my system that is superior.
I liked these, grabbed ‘em off the web earlier this year I think:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/02/curved-imac-iview.jpg
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2008/02/curved-imac-iview-2.jpg
I really should hit the abuse button on you, but you might take it the wrong way.
I run Linux, neither windows or Mac.
Ahh. A High Priest! I'm honored, and humbled, your liege.
As for the rest of my comment, yep, a person buying a computer has every right to expect it to be in perfect order when they get it and if it isn't they have every right to expect it to be replaced, as quickly as possible and at no cost to them, they have already paid for the computer. For some reason you seem to think they should have to pay again if they want a replacement.
Would you mine quoting me where I said such a thing? Inquiring minds want to know.
I can only say I am glad you aren't running a computer company!
No. I don't run it. I'm a simple application programmer, seasoned in the dark arts of analysis and other dismal pursuits.
As for me not giving a damn but taking time to comment it was because of your totally idiotic remarks about people being terrible because they expected to get a replacement at no cost to them.
Again, I await your rubbing my nose in the original quote where I made such an incendiary claim. The gauntlet is thrown down, my good man! Thrown! In Knuth's name I challenge your foul assertion! Avast! ACK! ACK, I say!
A remark that stupid transcends computer and OS brands, is goes into the realm of total stupidity.
Total stupidity! That's either very deep, very shallow, or very recursive. I'll get back to you, if I can. Being "totally stupid" might have created a singularity in my local space making communication difficult, if not impossible.
Thanks. Of course the claim was 1/4 the cost.
Oh now your argument is based on need. I could get by with an iPhone for my real needs, but your needs are much deeper seated, maybe a Psyc major could comment on your compulsion to invade Mac threads to tell everyone how stupid they are.
Good thing you don't need an ips monitor because you don't have one, huh?
It is not fair to count special deals you got, and that nobody else could get, when comparing prices of systems.
And, no, I don't value SLI on video cards. Long ago I moved my gaming to where it belongs -- the consoles. That way I can sit back on the couch in front of my 42" TV and play in comfort, and not worry about upgrading my video card every six months.
I noticed that the spacing in the corner where failure occurred appeared to be much less than at the top. (IOW, the glass didn't look "square" in the case.) However, I figured that could be attributed to parallax in the photo.
Aside from "duct-taping" the glass around all sides for shipping, (or adding an adhesive bonding agent) I don't see how you could guarantee that big glass slab against heavy shocks.
Since I don't have a sample to work with -- or competitors to analyze, I guess my solution would be to label (in all appropriate languages) the packaging with:
"DANGER! NITROGLYCERINE -- DO NOT DROP OR JOLT PACKAGE!!!"
'-)
I didn’t get a special deal, I got a i7 and clocked it on a kick ass mobo. Of course, you can’t do that with a Mac. I have a console too, but for gaming nothing beats a keyboard and mouse. Tell me, what kind of PC are you rocking, because it seems like all the big talkers are running 2006 tech. At least itsahoot puts his money where his mouth is. If some of you guys knew half as much about hardware as you know about X,Y or Z operating system you’d be dangerous.
I could strip stuff from my original order and still have a faster pc, and add whatever monitor I want. But then I’d have to sacrifice Blu-Ray, TV tuner, crossfire graphics setup, you know, all those things you don’t need. My system smokes Mac Pros...top of the line Apple stuff. Your setup is a mid level setup...heck it’s only called an i7 because it has 4 cores and hyperthreads. There is no comparison.
As to me “invading” Mac threads, it’s an open forum and I can do as I please as long as I behave. This is not however a forum to advertise Apple stuff.
Still waiting for you to eat your mouse.
I thought you said I'd have to pay $1,000 for that chip. As far as clocking, I don't do that anymore. I prefer to run a chip at its rated speed and get the stability that comes with it.
If some of you guys knew half as much about hardware as you know about X,Y or Z operating system you’d be dangerous.
I've been building PCs since the early 90s. I'm perfectly capable of building my own hot-rod box, but that's not a hobby of mine anymore, not worth my time unless somebody's paying me to do it. Now I just want a computer that works.
BTW, my Mac is two years old, and I still like using it, with no modifications. I can't say that for any PC I've owned.
They could squeeze some shock-absorbing material in that tiny space between the glass and the frame, with a “remove before use” tab on it.
No eight cores with the selected MOBO... it only supports a single four core i7. . .
Gigabyte X58-UD4P Mobo
6 GB TRIPLE channel DDR3 running at 1600
2 ATI 4890's running in Crossfire
2.5 TB WD storage
Blu-Ray/Lightscribe DVD
TV tuner
25.5 inch Asus Monitor
Cosmos 1000 case w/window
800 watt Mushkin Power Supply
etc.
. . . which would have to include Wifi card, Firewire 400/800 card, Bluetooth card, webcam, Wireless Keyboard and Mouse, and Windows Vista Ult or XP Pro OEM, to meet the challenge of coming close to the specs of the 27" i7 iMac.
I just priced everything as listed above plus the required stuff to make it work...
Cabojoe's "iMac Killer" System:
| Qty. | Item | Cost |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Gigabyte X58-UD4P Mother Board | $ 257.25 |
| 1 | i7-975 3.06 GHz Intel Quad Core Processor | 574.99 |
| 3 | Crucial 2 GB Triple Channel DDR3 SDRAM (6GB) | 230.00 |
| 2 | ATI 4890 Radeon HD Graphic Cards | 420.00 |
| 1 | 2 TB WD Hard Drives | 220.00 |
| 1 | 500MB WD Hard Drives | 57.00 |
| 1 | LG BluRay Lightscribe DVD burner | 90.00 |
| 1 | HD TV tuner | 88.00 |
| 1 | ASUS 25.5" 1920 x 1200 LCD Monitor | 330.00 |
| 1 | Cosmos 1000 Case | 199.00 |
| 1 | Coxmos 1000 Case window | 49.00 |
| 1 | Mushkin 800W Power Supply | 135.00 |
| 1 | Wifi card for Desk top | 20.00 |
| 1 | Firewire 400/800 card | 54.00 |
| 1 | Bluetooth card for desk top | 20.00 |
| 1 | Webcam | 20.00 |
| 1 | Wireless Keyboard and Mouse | 40.00 |
| 1 | Windows Vista Ult or XP Pro 64 bit OEM | 140.00 |
| TOTAL | $ 2,694.24 |
Compares to an Apple 27" iMac with the following upgrades:
| Item | Cost |
|---|---|
| Apple iMac 27" with 2.66 Ghz Quad Core i5 Intel Processor | $ 1,999.00 |
| Upgrade to 2.8 Ghz Quad Core i7 Intel Processor * | 200.00 |
| Upgrade to 8 GB DDR3 Dual Channel SDRAM | 200.00 |
| Upgrade to 2 TB Hard Drive | 250.00 |
| TOTAL | $ 2,649.00 |
| * Apple supports over clocking the i7 to 3.46 Ghz |
If the TV tuner is truly important, we could add an Elegato Eye HD Eye TV Tuner to the Mac for about $ 140.00.
That would bring the iMac comparable to $2,798.00.
However,
The quality of the Apple monitor is far superior to your selected 25.5" Asus.
In fact, Similar quality professional grade monitors sell for almost as much as the 27" base iMac by itself ... meaning you almost get the computer for free, tossed in for the cost of a cutting edge monitor.
As a system, your PC isn't even in the ball park. Itsahoot isn't going to have to bar-b-que his mouse.
Besides, a list of components with a cost is NOT a price. Price implies a finished product... and all the economic inputs required for a product. Does your labor costs nothing? What about your profit? Advertising? Research and development? Product liability? How about shipping costs for all that? Overhead? Taxes?
By the way, Mushkin apparently has stopped making the power supplies; at least they are no longer available... too bad.
Your non-linked link, The Double-Stuff Workstation purports to build a killer machine that you also use as an example... another build it yourself wonder box... but that one comes in at $2,713.86 without a monitor at all. . . or OS... so, again, no cigar, Cabojoe.
HUH? I got 8 cores running at 3.8. It's called hyperthreading. Shows as 8 everywhere I look. Running full on 3.8, with turbo turned off. Look, that's all I have to read of your latest essay to know you don't have a clue. It's a Mac Pro Killer, anyways. The iMac is too easy to beat. Two hours to put together and all I've had to do since is clean the air filters. You're way off on your Crucial memory price by about 100%, it's OCZ Platinum 7 7 7 24 1600, don't need a firewire card, there's that and a ton of ports on the mobo. Wifi on a desktop? LOL. i7 920 running 3.8? I think it was $250. Can't even buy a Mac running that fast. Win 7 free till next year when I get a SSD for it. Keep trying.
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