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MARTIN IS CLEARED BY SENATE, 28 TO 19, IN REMOVAL VOTE (11/17/39)
Microfiche-New York Times archives, McHenry Library, U.C. Santa Cruz | 11/17/39 | Warren Moscow, Percival Knauth

Posted on 11/17/2009 5:11:15 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson

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Free Republic University, Department of History presents World War II Plus 70 Years: Seminar and Discussion Forum
First session: September 1, 2009. Last date to add: September 2, 2015.
Reading assignment: New York Times articles delivered daily to students on the 70th anniversary of original publication date. (Previously posted articles can be found by searching on keyword “realtime”.)
To add this class to or drop it from your schedule notify Admissions and Records (Attn: Homer_J_Simpson) by freepmail. Those on the Realtime +/- 70 Years ping list are automatically enrolled. Course description, prerequisites and tuition information is available at the bottom of Homer’s profile.
1 posted on 11/17/2009 5:11:15 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson
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Even before the original plan for Fall Gelb had fallen into the hands of the enemy it was anticipated by the Allied Supreme Command. On November 17 the Allied Supreme War Council, meeting in Paris, had adopted “Plan D,” which, in the event of a German attack through Belgium, called for the French First and Ninth armies and the British Expeditionary Force to dash forward to the principal Belgian defense line on the Dyle and Meuse rivers from Antwerp through Louvain, Namur and Givet to Mezieres. A few days before, the French and British general staffs, in a series of secret meetings with the Belgian High Command, had received the latter’s assurance that it would strengthen the defenses on that line and make its main stand there. But the Belgians, still clinging to the illusions of neutrality which fortified their hope that they yet might be spared involvement in war, would not go further. The British chiefs of staff argued that there would not be time to deploy the Allied forces so far forward once the Germans had attacked, but they went along with Plan D at the urging of general Gamelin.

William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich

2 posted on 11/17/2009 5:12:19 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
On November 15 General Gamelin Issued his Instruction No.8, confirming the agreements of the 14th, whereby support would be given to the Belgians “if circumstances permitted” by an advance to the line Meuse-Antwerp. The Allied Supreme Council met in Paris on November 17. Mr. Chamberlain took with him Lord Halifax, Lord Chatfield, and Sir Kingsley wood. I had not at that time reached the position where I should be invited to accompany the Prime Minister to these meetings. The decision was taken: “Given the importance of holding the German forces as far east as possible, it is essential to make every endeavour to hold the line Meuse-Antwerp in the event of a German invasion of Belgium.” At this meeting Mr. Chamberlain and M. Daladier insisted on the importance which they attached to this resolution, and thereafter it governed action. This was, in fact, a decision in favour of Plan D, and it superseded the arrangements hitherto accepted of the modest forward move to the Scheldt.

As a new addition to Plan D there presently appeared the task of a Seventh French Army. The idea of an advance of this army on the seaward flank of the Allied armies first came to light early in November 1939. General Giraud, who was restless with a reserve army around Rheims, was put in command. The object of this excursion of Plan D was to move into Holland via Antwerp so as to help the Dutch, and secondly to occupy some parts of the Dutch islands Walcheren and Beveland. All this would have been good if the Germans had already been stopped on the Albert Canal. General Gamelin wanted it. General Georges thought it beyond our scope, and preferred that the troops involved should be brought into reserve behind the centre of the line. Of these differences we knew nothing.

In this posture therefore we passed the winter and awaited the spring. No new decisions of strategic principle were taken by the French and British Staffs or by their Governments in the six months which lay between us and the German onslaught.

Winston S. Churchill, The Gathering Storm

3 posted on 11/17/2009 5:13:27 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: r9etb; PzLdr; dfwgator; Paisan; From many - one.; rockinqsranch; GRRRRR; 2banana; henkster; ...
If it had been up to me we would have led with the sinking of the Africa Shell by what might be a German pocket battleship. Or even the Al Capone story. But I was over-ruled by the editor, who liked the story of a Brooklyn judge getting off the hook. This could be a low traffic day at WWII+70.

See two perspectives on “Plan D” in the replies above.

Martin is Cleared by Senate, 28 to 19, in Removal Vote – 1-3
Incidents in European Conflict – 2
Need for Amen Ended By Election, Mayor Feels – 3
Al Capone Is Freed From Prison; Guarded in Baltimore Hospital – 4-6
Shoots Ex-Employe Then Ends His Life – 5
Fusion Over, Says Baldwin – 7
British Ship Sunk by Surface Raider Near East Africa – 8-9
End of Britain as a World Power Is Proclaimed as Germany’s Goal – 11-12
Visiting Editors Praised for Work – 13

4 posted on 11/17/2009 5:14:56 AM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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http://www.onwar.com/chrono/1939/nov39/f17nov39.htm

Allies endorse “Plan D”
Friday, November 17, 1939 www.onwar.com

In London... At the third meeting of the Supreme Allied Council it endorses “ Plan D,” proposed by French General Gamelin (see May 10th, 1940). In case of a German attack through Belgium it is decided to defend a line from the Meuse River to Antwerp.

In France... A Czechoslovakian National Committee is established in Paris under the leadership of the former President of Czechoslovakia, Eduard Benes. The group is recognized by Britain and France in mid-December.

In Germany... The pocket battleship Deutschland arrives in Gdynia (in occupied Poland) after her Atlantic raiding cruise in which 2 ships were sunk.

In Occupied Czechoslovakia... SS forces occupy all universities (during the night of November 16-17) and 9 student leaders are executed; some 1200 are sent to concentration camps. This event becomes the basis for marking November 17th as “International Students Day.”


5 posted on 11/17/2009 5:39:33 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Students%27_Day

Origin

The date commemorates the anniversary of the 1939 Nazi storming of the University of Prague after demonstrations against the killing of Jan Opletal and the occupation of Czechoslovakia, and the execution of nine student leaders, over 1200 students sent to concentration camps, and the closing of all Czech universities and colleges.

During late 1939 the Nazi occupants of the Czechoslovakia (at that time it was called the protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia), in Prague, suppressed a demonstration held by students of the Medical Faculty of the Charles University. The demonstration was held on the 28th of October to commemorate the anniversary of the independence of the Czechoslovak Republic.

During this demonstration student Jan Opletal was shot and died from wounds on the 11th of November. On the 15th of November his body was meant to be transported from Prague back to his home in Moravia. His funeral procession consisted of thousands of students, who turned this event to anti-Nazi demonstration. This however resulted in drastic measures being taken by the Nazi’s. All Czech higher education institutions were closed down; more than 1200 students were taken and sent to concentration camps; and the most hideous crime of all - nine students/professors were executed without trial on the 17th of November. Due to this the date of 17th November has been chosen to be the International Students’ Day.

The 17th of November was first marked as the International Students’ Day in 1941 in London by the International Students’ Council (which had many refugee members) in accord with the Allies, and the tradition has been kept up by the successor International Union of Students, which has been pressing with National Unions of Students in Europe and other groups to make the day an official United Nations observance.


6 posted on 11/17/2009 5:43:25 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Interesting that they called Capone’s illness ‘paresis’ as opposed to terminal syphilis.


7 posted on 11/17/2009 5:45:11 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (a wild-eyed, exclusionist, birther religio-beast -- Daily Kos)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Newspaper “standards” were back then somewhat more refined than that of today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_paresis_of_the_insane


8 posted on 11/17/2009 5:55:03 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

Interesting article. Learned a new word, ‘syphilographer’.


9 posted on 11/17/2009 6:26:36 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (a wild-eyed, exclusionist, birther religio-beast -- Daily Kos)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Gas proof kennels for dogs in London? The memory of poison gas from WWI was still very real.
10 posted on 11/17/2009 7:10:49 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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“The courts are the last stronghold of democracy. Destroy faith in them and the only resort is to be musket and the sword. If you want to be a judge, you should act like a judge..............Our courts must be kept above the slightest doubt or suspicion. The defendant has lost his usefulness on the bench.”


Words of Wisdom that I am not sure are spoken today and damn sure would not get in the paper.


11 posted on 11/17/2009 7:16:17 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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Germany today rejected any prospects of a negotiated peace or mediation efforts in the European war with a defiant announcement that Chancellor Hitler will be ready to discuss peace terms “only when the war has ended victoriously for us.”


I wonder if anyone really read that......................


12 posted on 11/17/2009 7:24:31 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
I was born and raised in a tree-lined, upper middle class suburb west of Chicago. Tony Accardo lived in a modest mansion in the northern part of my village.

I was in his house one evening for about a half hour. I was a teen on a double date and we were picking up Tony's daughter for the foursome. Tony had a bowling lane in his basement and gold fixtures in his baths.

Sam Giancana lived a few blocks from our home in the southern part of town. During an assassin's break-in, Sam's brains were blown out one evening in the basement kitchen of his solid brick bungalow where he was making spaghetti sauce.

An old geezer friend of mine, now deceased, was caddy for Capone who liked to golf in the many plush golf courses in the suburbs due west or south of Cook County. The geezer was an older young man at the time so he also chauffered Capone around the 'burbs (never on "official business", he avowed)

He said Big Al was a "good boss and a generous tipper".

The gangsters, including Capone, mainly headquartered in Chicago proper, but many preferred to actually live and raise their families in the suburbs. They kept up their homes and were good neighbors, although mostly keeping to themselves. They never "fouled their own nests" and most neighbors never knew who they were.

I saw and met a goodly number of the Outfit over the years, mostly in restaurants, because of the political position I held. The majority all had one thing in common.....hand tailored suits with manicured nails, very foreign, poor English, very unattractive faces pockmarked in a lot of instances, short, stocky body builds......uneducated to the max (deehs, dohs, and dahs).....socially polite but distant in normal verbal interactions.....very short on "personality".......and when you looked into their faces the eyes were dark and dead like they had no souls......it was unsettling to look at them directly.

I met quite a number of interesting and famous people in the course of my political career who were quite the opposite of the hoodlums........ including Ronald Reagan several times, famous athletes, even Ann Landers.

But no more name-dropping, LOL.

And no, I never met Capone....I'm not THAT old.

Leni

13 posted on 11/17/2009 8:22:31 AM PST by MinuteGal (Bill O'Reilly: 9/8/09: "Communism is not a threat to us anymore"-10/20/09: "Obama is not a Marxist")
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Just curious as to whether you have a theory as to the
“pock-markedness characteristic you described. Lack of balanced diet? Does a crappy looking face determine ones choice to
be an outsider? Have you noticed more Dems seem to have
bad skin......just foolin with you, but it is a puzzlement.
14 posted on 11/17/2009 9:43:02 AM PST by seenenuf ( PREPARE TO BE TESTED!)
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Just curious as to whether you have a theory as to the
“pock-markedness characteristic you described. Lack of balanced diet? Does a crappy looking face determine ones choice to
be an outsider? Have you noticed more Dems seem to have
bad skin......just foolin with you, but it is a puzzlement.
15 posted on 11/17/2009 9:43:08 AM PST by seenenuf ( PREPARE TO BE TESTED!)
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In Occupied Czechoslovakia... SS forces occupy all universities (during the night of November 16-17) and 9 student leaders are executed

Tomorrow's main headline.

16 posted on 11/17/2009 3:40:12 PM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

I think I’m going to skip a day on those posts from now on. They step on the next day’s NY Times headlines and kind of mess up our sequence.


17 posted on 11/17/2009 3:51:15 PM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb
I think I’m going to skip a day on those posts from now on. They step on the next day’s NY Times headlines and kind of mess up our sequence.

I'm not sure I agree with you on this. I enjoy seeing how the media responded to and prioritized the events unfolding around them. The uprising in Czechoslovakia is a case in point. Before now I didn't know anything about it. You first notified us when it was beginning. I knew from my prep work that it was going to become a news story in several days, and posted to that effect. If anyone did any stepping on the headline it was me. Maybe I should just stop using your posts for teasers.

18 posted on 11/17/2009 4:21:48 PM PST by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Well, ok. I’ll keep putting them up. I guess it’s hard to stay in precise sequence when we use newspaper reports from 70 years ago. It took a day or two for stories to get reported back then.

But there’s no doubt we all are learning many, many minor but important details the TV shows and general history books overlook.


19 posted on 11/17/2009 4:29:18 PM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: seenenuf
Most of these hoods were born in desperately poor slums and ghettos both here or in the old country. Most of the famous gangsters were born in the late 1800's or early 1900's. There were no miracle drugs in those days. Small pox, chicken pox, infections from acne, etc. left marks and depressions on young faces because they went untreated.

We don't see much of this any more due to the advent of penicillin and other medicines.....plus the decline or outright eradication of small pox here and in most other countries.

Yep, I DO believe that lack of any education at all, extreme poverty and embedded feelings of inferiority and alienation because of their "foreign" looks and ways influenced many of the 1915-1950 gangsters to turn to crime as a way out when they were still yutes growing up in this country.

Many of today's gangsters have smooth skins, are millionaires, wear tailored suits, graduated from an Ivy League, are loaded with self-confidence and arrogance, work in a great domed building and live in Georgetown.

Leni

20 posted on 11/18/2009 6:59:53 AM PST by MinuteGal (Bill O'Reilly: 9/8/09: "Communism is not a threat to us anymore"-10/20/09: "Obama is not a Marxist")
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