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You can cut back on alcohol
latimes.com ^ | 11/16/2009 | Shari Roan

Posted on 11/16/2009 2:58:21 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies

Research has shown that there are different degrees of drinking disorders, and many people can change habits on their own.

Seventy years ago, Bill Wilson -- the co-founder of Alcoholics Anonymous -- declared his powerlessness over alcohol in a book by the same name. The failed businessman contended that, as an alcoholic, he had to "hit bottom" before changing his life and that sobriety could only be achieved through complete abstention.

For generations, Americans took these tenets to be true for everyone. Top addiction experts are no longer sure.

They now say that many drinkers can evaluate their habits and -- using new knowledge about genetic and behavioral risks of addiction -- change those habits if necessary. Even some people who have what are now termed alcohol-use disorders, they add, can cut back on consumption before it disrupts education, ruins careers and damages health.

In short, say some of the nation's leading scientists studying substance abuse, humans travel a long road before they become powerless over alcohol -- and most never reach that point.

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Many of these people need not give up alcohol altogether. The concept of so-called controlled drinking -- that people with alcohol-use disorders could simply curb, or control, their drinking -- has existed for many years. Evidence now exists that such an approach is possible for some people, although abstinence is still considered necessary for those with the most severe disease.

The overall reassessment has been fueled by the groundbreaking National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions, the largest and most comprehensive look at alcohol use in America. The project surveyed 43,000 people 18 and older in 2001 and 2002, and again in 2004 and 2005, with the results released in increments beginning in 2006.

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: aa; alcoholism
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
I wish I could drink. Everyone is having such a good time and all relaxed and I have my sparkling water. Even a small amount of alcohol gives me a headache, not the next morning like a hangover, I mean right then as soon as I drink it. I gave up even sipping anything alcoholic when a sip of my sons beer started to close my throat up. I am ALWAYS the designated driver.
21 posted on 11/16/2009 5:35:29 AM PST by Ditter
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Nothing new under the sun—There’s this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moderation_Management

The founder was a woman who had a drinking problem but thought AA was too strict, and there had to be a way of moderation. She, as the Wikipedia article states, decided later to abstain totally, but relapsed, drove drunk and killed two people in a head-on crash.

I think they are still in existence as a group.


22 posted on 11/16/2009 5:50:21 AM PST by Mac from Cleveland (Dreams from My Father--food, shelter, and education from some typical white folks)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet

Seasoned (citizen) .....salty???? or peppery?


23 posted on 11/16/2009 6:23:55 AM PST by Shimmer1 (Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

Bookmark ping

These articles come out every year or so.


24 posted on 11/16/2009 6:25:41 AM PST by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: Mac from Cleveland

My ex would do this periodically. “oh I don’t think I’m an alcoholic” I’d say Try it again Buster and we’ll see who’s a used-to-be and he eventually did and we were finished. 23 years. sheesh.


25 posted on 11/16/2009 6:25:56 AM PST by Shimmer1 (Pray for Obama: Psalm 109:8)
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To: freedomlover
Moderation is certainly NOT the answer for alcoholism!

That said, it may be the answer for people who simply drink too much.

26 posted on 11/16/2009 6:48:47 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (Rush on Obama: "immature, narcissistic and inexperienced")
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

To some it’s a six-pack, to me it’s a Support Group. Salvation in a can!


27 posted on 11/16/2009 6:53:25 AM PST by b4its2late (Before you can control a horse, you have to break it. Sound familiar?)
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To: Thrownatbirth
I suspect AA has saved more lives than any combination of behavioral therapists, psychiatrists and physcologists (less those that endorse AA).

I know that from my own experience, abstinence has been the only solution. The "nature vs. nurture" debate over alcoholism will, I suspect, continue indefinately, but for those like me, relief will be found only when it is viewed as a spiritual matter.

For all I know, there may be those who can learn moderation...Godspeed to them. I know that would never work for me.

28 posted on 11/16/2009 6:58:57 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies

AA saved my life 30 years ago. It is not so important that I live , but I have had a super great 30 years.


29 posted on 11/16/2009 7:07:53 AM PST by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: SonOfDarkSkies
Moderation is certainly NOT the answer for alcoholism!

That said, it may be the answer for people who simply drink too much.

You don't wake up an alcoholic one morning. There is a progression, in loose terms, from a drinking habit to a drinking problem to alcoholism. If you're drinking to feel good, well, that's what it's there for. If you're drinking to feel numb, you're self-medicating for something, and that's a problem. If you're drinking to feel normal, you're an alcoholic.

The first time you experience the DTs, it's past time to quit. You've used up all your drink tickets.

I'm inclined to believe that a moderation approach like the one mentioned here could help habitual or even problem drinkers before it blossoms into alcoholism -- I think, though this could be denial talking, that it could have helped me about ten years ago. What happened instead is that I ended up in the hospital with liver failure last year. Thank God, my liver function is back to normal now. I haven't touched the stuff in 20 months. Whether moderation might have worked for me at some point in the past is an academic "what if" -- I crossed that Rubicon a ways back.

30 posted on 11/16/2009 7:08:56 AM PST by ReignOfError
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To: Joe 6-pack
I suspect AA has saved more lives than any combination of behavioral therapists, psychiatrists and physcologists (less those that endorse AA).

Saved my bother's life. He is great today, but back in the day he almost killed himself(accidentally)a couple times. Never hurt anyone else physically but did cause much emotional pain to his wife. He has been clean now for many, many years and I am sure he will stay that way, thanks to AA.

31 posted on 11/16/2009 7:16:48 AM PST by calex59
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To: Ditter
I mean right then as soon as I drink it.

The body is a wonderful machine. Some just don't listen when the body says, "No!".

32 posted on 11/16/2009 7:16:53 AM PST by RGSpincich
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To: calex59

It has certainly saved mine.


33 posted on 11/16/2009 7:18:59 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: uncbob

Isn’t the generic usually cheaper?


34 posted on 11/16/2009 7:23:56 AM PST by billhilly
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To: Joe 6-pack
More power to them. I have nothing but respect for those who have learned to drink in moderation, but I will never understand how they have inner strength to let a half glass of wine sit on the damn table throughout the whole freakin' meal!

Drives me nuts! :-)
35 posted on 11/16/2009 7:24:37 AM PST by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: billhilly

Yeah it is —Home made (:-)


36 posted on 11/16/2009 7:25:28 AM PST by uncbob
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To: Thrownatbirth
Here's my reality...

"I will never understand how they have inner strength to let a half glass bottle of wine scotch sit on the damn table..."

;-)

37 posted on 11/16/2009 7:36:11 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

AA saved my life too. I had to lose everything before I realized my life was unmanageable. I can never have a drink again. One sip and the phenomena of craving returns and I can’t stop. I’m content today. God Bless.


38 posted on 11/16/2009 7:36:35 AM PST by goseminoles
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To: Joe 6-pack

Wouldn’t it depend on the Scotch in the bottle? ... JApanese Scotch isn’t worth a second sip, whereas a tumbler of a real Scotish single malt, well ...


39 posted on 11/16/2009 7:38:34 AM PST by MHGinTN (Obots, believing they cannot be deceived, it is impossible to convince them when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN
LOL...I know you're being facetious, but that question actually has some serious implications to a true alcoholic. As somebody else on this thread indicated, alcoholics are masters of rationalization and can justify (to themselves) even the most ridiculous behavior. For a long time, I didn't think I had a drinking problem because I could afford, "the good stuff." In my mind, "alcoholics" were people who slept in alleys with a bottle of Thunderbird, and as long as I could afford Glenmorangie (bottles mind you, not tumblers), I was doing just fine...

...AA members will tell you that for an alcoholic, booze is, "cunning, baffling and powerful," and alcoholic will allow it to slowly insinuate itself into the center of one's life to the point that it squeezes out any room for God.

40 posted on 11/16/2009 7:46:22 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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