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Heap of trouble - NASCAR has a big problem with Talladega
Nascar.com ^ | 11/2/09 | Joe Menzer

Posted on 11/02/2009 5:21:33 PM PST by NormsRevenge

Slow 'em down and keep 'em on the ground.

Sounds simple, doesn't it?

So why can't NASCAR do it with Sprint Cup Series cars at Talladega Superspeedway? How long do the powers-that-be think they can keep dodging the flying 3,450-pound bullets at that facility? How long do they think the public -- and more importantly, their drivers -- will sit back and accept the small Band-Aids they have applied as real efforts at solutions to problems that require more serious study and quicker action?

And while we're at it, how long does NASCAR think the healthy approach to any of its problems is to say they "have long believed in having an independent media" and that debate "is great for any sport" -- and then have a highly placed executive from its governing body publicly call for the firing of a trio of broadcasters who criticize their sport? That's as hypocritical as it gets, folks.

But that's another ongoing battle sure to be fought vigorously on other days.

This is about Talladega. Or once again, what to do about Talladega?

In the aftermath of Sunday's Amp Energy 500 -- during which the No. 39 Chevrolet of Ryan Newman and the No. 5 Chevy of Mark Martin both flipped and went airborne -- this time it's not enough for NASCAR officials to place all of the blame on overaggressive drivers and say it's all going to be OK if track officials simply add a few feet to the catch fence on the frontstretch.

Lingering questions

So much was wrong with Sunday's race that it's difficult to know where to begin, but let it first be stated that this isn't meant to be an all-out rant against the current state of racing in the Sprint Cup Series. I might be in the minority, but I happen to think much of the racing this season has been pretty darn good. I happen to agree with some NASCAR officials that there are many involved in the sport -- participants as well as media -- who are obsessed with how much better things were in the supposedly good 'ol days.

I just don't agree with trying to suppress their First Amendment rights to say so.

Let me also state that I've long believed that the racing at Talladega is some of the most entertaining on the Sprint Cup circuit. It is as compelling on television as it is live, but it has become a guilty pleasure -- because it's not safe.

And listen, we all know racing can never be completely safe -- and that NASCAR has come a long, long way in ensuring that the cars are safer and so are most of the tracks. But that's what makes the lack of initiative -- or ability -- to do anything about Talladega so doggone frustrating.

As long as the cars are running at speeds upwards of 195 mph and in close packs, with cars whose safety features otherwise are stout but cannot stay on the ground when bumped at those speeds, it's a disaster waiting to happen.

When Carl Edwards went airborne and came dangerously close to flying into the frontstretch grandstands in his No. 99 Ford on the final lap of the spring race at the venue, he bluntly stated that he supposed there would be no major changes to this kind of racing "until someone gets killed."

Let's hope that's not the case. But seriously, is there anyone out there who doesn't have a sinking feeling he might be right after what transpired there again in the latest race Sunday?

Time for real answers

In a well-intentioned but poorly played effort to make it safer Sunday, NASCAR president Mike Helton warned drivers before the race that they would be penalized mightily for bump-drafting each other in the corners.

This was two hours prior to the race. Um, here's a thought: how about letting the drivers and crew chiefs know about this intention to enforce a rule that actually already was in place (but universally ignored with no consequences), instead of laying it on them literally right before the dropping of the green flag?

You can't help but wonder is this was yet another misguided effort to "control the message." Tell drivers and crew chiefs about the change well in advance, and -- gasp! -- someone in the media might actually ask for their opinion about it. And -- gasp! -- someone might have been critical of it.

If that wasn't the case, did NASCAR officials really come up with this plan right before the race? That's highly doubtful, but would be just as disturbing if it were true.

All the surprise rule did was relegate the first 100 laps or so to mostly single-file racing that was as boring as it was predictable.

There also were some minor tweaking to the restrictor plates and something called the side wicker. Supposedly these were done with safety in mind, but obviously they were not enough to keep Newman and Martin earth-bound.

So what can be done? Three-time defending champion Jimmie Johnson (one step closer to winning four titles in a row after the 13-car wreck that took out Martin and other possible contenders on the last lap Sunday) had a grand idea.

"Get some tractors out here and knock down the [33-degree] banking," said Johnson, the idea being that drivers would then have to slow down through the turns and wouldn't bang into each other at high speeds so often.

I'm no engineer, but that sounds like it might work. Also, we put men on the moon 40 years ago. Can't some smart minds be hired to figure this out?

Newman has his engineering degree from Purdue and said he's ready to examine the problem. Maybe a special car needs to be designed for Daytona and Talladega, the only two restrictor-plate races currently on the circuit.

None of this can be done cheaply. But how much would it cost the sport to lose one of its treasured stars through debilitating injury, or worse?

That's the question that needs to be answered -- and quickly, this time -- at NASCAR's home offices in Daytona Beach, Fla. Silence not only won't be golden; it might eventually turn deadly.


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“ We put men on the moon 40 years ago. Can't some smart minds be hired to figure this out? ”

The fix is in, except when it comes to the real problems. Talladega again proof NASCAR faced with serious issues.

1 posted on 11/02/2009 5:21:33 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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Silence not only won’t be golden; it might eventually turn deadly.

Having everyone more evenly matched and slowed down makes them more likely to wreck.. Brilliant!

If I wanted to see a Demolition Derby, I’ll go to the county fair. The end of that race was pretty rough.


2 posted on 11/02/2009 5:24:54 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: NormsRevenge
The fact that Newman walked away from that wreck shows they are doing something right.

I was at the Dallas Motor Speedway several years back when Ryan flipped like that before (I think it was his second year driving). Another wreck where you know if someone is fine after that, it is pretty amazing engineering.

Rocket man just can't keep it on the ground.

3 posted on 11/02/2009 5:25:53 PM PST by mnehring
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To: glock rocks; tubebender; NYTexan; WestCoastGal; SouthTexas

a writer asks .. ‘Wha’ happ’n, Miguel?


4 posted on 11/02/2009 5:26:13 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: mnehring

He’s had a couple pretty nasty wrecks.. it looks like it is slow motion when he was gliding backward at 150 mph about to nudge HapPy Harvick’s hood.. pretty close call indeed.


5 posted on 11/02/2009 5:27:47 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: mnehring

as to his walking away.. roll bar and cockpit design / technology has come a long way. His dogs and wife were thrilled too when he climbed out. :-)


6 posted on 11/02/2009 5:29:13 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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Rocketman has 5 dogs. :-]

Five things about ... the perfect NASCAR marriage

7 posted on 11/02/2009 5:31:44 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: NormsRevenge

I’m with Jimmy Johnson (and many others) on this one. Knock the banking down to 18 or 20 degrees and they’ll slow down or crash.

The formula makes for much higher speeds at Michigan and California but slower averages without the big crashes.


8 posted on 11/02/2009 5:35:20 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Maybe a special car needs to be designed for Daytona and Talladega, the only two restrictor-plate races currently on the circuit.


9 posted on 11/02/2009 5:37:47 PM PST by glock rocks (Wait, what?)
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To: NormsRevenge
Changing restrictor plates didn't work.
Changing the aero package didn't work.
The COT didn't work.

I say dump the restrictor plates and run narrower tires with a less grippy compound.

10 posted on 11/02/2009 5:43:49 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: NormsRevenge

My answer to Dega is here... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2373259/posts?page=680#680


11 posted on 11/02/2009 5:44:58 PM PST by tubebender (Santa Claus is always jolly cause he knows where all the bad girls live...)
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To: NormsRevenge

195 MPH? How DO you keep a car on the ground at that speed if it starts to flip up? The Cessna airplanes I used to fly had a lower Never Exceed speed!


12 posted on 11/02/2009 5:45:14 PM PST by MRadtke (NOT the baseball player)
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To: cripplecreek

Tracks like Cali and Michigan already make up most of the races and they are boring. More short tracks.


13 posted on 11/02/2009 5:46:29 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bail out)
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To: VRWC For Truth

You’re talking about dumping Talladega and that isn’t going to happen.


14 posted on 11/02/2009 5:47:21 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I watched the better part of that race. It was the first NASCAR race I’ve seen in decades (since they used to be called stock cars not restrictor plate race cars). What a boring joke.


15 posted on 11/02/2009 5:47:49 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: NormsRevenge

It seemed like my little Porsche 924 would fall off that 30 degree banking at Daytona when I competed in autocrosses in the late 70s. It’s awesome! You can barely stand up on a slope like that. To ski on a 30 degree slope you need to be Olympic caliber.


16 posted on 11/02/2009 5:48:11 PM PST by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: NormsRevenge

I just don’t like Dega or Daytona. They provide some spectacular crashes (and dangerous), but the racing and placing is a crap-shoot. You can be in the lead in one lap and lose 10-15 spots before the finish of that lap. You can hang around the back all day and make a run for it toward the end. JJ is probably one of the best drivers out there, but he advanced in points strictly on luck. It’s not like he had to race anybody to do it. Restrictor tracks are all about being in the right place at the right time.


17 posted on 11/02/2009 5:48:12 PM PST by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: MRadtke

They hit 210 at Michigan but have much lower speeds in the turns.


18 posted on 11/02/2009 5:48:28 PM PST by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: tubebender

that would be one big catfish pond but that could catch on. ;-)


19 posted on 11/02/2009 5:48:31 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. May yur bandwidth exceed your girth)
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To: NormsRevenge

I want to be the bad boy here, I am a very big NASCAR fan and I just did a re-play of sundays race and I am beginning to think “outside the box” on this,

No restrictions at all.

Drivers can use anything that will fit on the chassis, wings, spoilers, even 6 wheels like the Tyrell.

Make it the one track that has no restrictions, let technology advance.


20 posted on 11/02/2009 5:49:03 PM PST by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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