Posted on 10/14/2009 9:50:04 PM PDT by kellynla
There is no evidence whatsoever that he ever carried a British or Indonesian Passport.
I think that must have something to do with that fact that there is no law that states that a person born in the US must have two US citizen parents in order to be a natural born citizen.
YOU are very wrong on your facts. The FACT is that Obama’s father was a British colonial subject, and it is a FACT that Obama was also a British subject at birth through his father.
Since Obama did not owe exclusive loyalty to the United States, he was not ‘under its exclusive jurisdiction” and was NOT, as a matter of FACT and LAW, a Natural Born Citizen of the United States at the time of his birth, regardless of its physical location. Since he was not a Natural Born Citizen at birth, he cannot be one now, since it is a status acquired naturally at birth, and at no other time.
I will not comment on McCain’s birth status since the claim is based on a different set of facts and is moot in any case.
If Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a citizen, perhaps, but your continued assertions that his birth on American soil makes him a natural born citizen is wrong, misguided, previously corrected by advice, stubborn, perverse and willful.
You are right about one thing; no one in the US Senate gives a rat’s ass. True. They are far more concerned with their own senatorial egos than they are with an old, faded, ratty looking piece of paper called the US Constitution.
I imagine that is is due to the fact that this is not a matter of statute law at all. It is a matter of Constitutional definition, and Constitutional words are not defined by statute. If they could be, we could do away with the Amendment process and just redefine select words and phrases any time we wanted to mean whatever we decided they should mean. That is decidedly NOT the case.
Well, if that is the case, we can permit the nine members of the SCOTUS decide on the definition of “natural born citizen.”
As this is a case of first impression, ultimately that is exactly what has to happen. The court needs to make it clear what the founders meant by their use of that particular phrase. Others can and have done the research, but only the Supreme Court can turn it into binding legal precedent.
Myself I have spent over a year digging into Obamas past, well before his goon squads sanized a lot of sources and well before the trolls invaded conservative forums sprinkling pacifying dust and I know the truth, I know when the truth gets twisted, torqued or changed about Obamas past, his associates, his linear direction in politics and most importantly foreign sources that support eveidence of his guided ambition through a remarkable chain of events to slip through loopholes of the election processes to be POTUS.
Birthers are patriots and no amount of Whitehouse stereotyping will convince me otherwise on this position, either we stand together or we fall divided on this issue.
This simple fact is a keystone to Obamas hastily shoddily erected tower of power. We as patriots must at the least not be swayed by fears of terroristic labeling by those that themselves are illegally in the position to issue such orders. Its right vs. wrong, its the right way to voice dissent.
From what I have read so far, the basis of the suspicion is that American citizens were not allowed to travel to Pakistan at that time. Therefore, if Obama traveled there and if it is true that he traveled there directly, the question is how?
I also do not know if it was the Pakistani government or the US government that barred Americans from traveling to Pakistan. In either case it creates suspicion and raises a legitmately asked question that would be fair game to ask any American.
As for Obama not physically possessing a passport or having ever had one issued to him, I have not read anything that has been published. Perhaps Obama or one of his ghostwriters wrote of not having a passsport until such and sucn age, I don’t know.
Just asking...
The link that Yossarian posts refers to ‘citizen’ and not ‘natural born citizen’.
From Larry Walker’s blog:
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Article 2, section 1 of the Constitution states, “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of president; neither shall any person be eligible who shall not attained to the age of thirty-five years, and been fourteen years a resident within the United Satates.”
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The addition of a grandfather clause in this paragraph says a lot as to the meaning of natural born. The first thing it says is that being born in the US is not enough to be natural born, otherwise the grandfather clause would not be necessary. The writers and delegates, having been born in the US, wanted to be eligible for the presidency, but most were the children of British subjects. Knowing that that eliminated them from being natural born and, thus, from eligibility, they included the grandfather clause which expired when the last person alive at the time of the ratification of the Constitution died. So, being a native born citizen is not the same as being natural born. If it were the framers would not have included the clause.
When asked to define natural born citizen, John Bingham, the author of the 14th ammendment which extended the bill of rights to former slaves, stated, “Any human born to parents who are US citizens and are under no other jurisdiction or authority.” The Naturalization Act of 1790, also passed by this congress, declared “And the children of citizens of the US shall be considered as natural born, provided that the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been a resident of the US.” Neither of these definitions, one from US law, mentions birthplace, only the parents’ citizenship.
Dogmatic Obama supporter.
Pretty darned crazy.
The first one to jump on you, NOT surprisingly, is one of the DoJ (Aporn) employee who is apparently on the night shift and is collecting full benefits from the usurper “administration.” This assignment is a 24/7 job!!!
Your confession?
And wrong.
Oh boy! ( Whew!)
I wonder what the DOJ employed trolls will have to say about this? Fasten the seat belts!
Common Sense Bump! ;-)
Fidel Castro could be nominated, placed on ballots.. ( With thousands upon thousands of citizens screaming at their government officials the entire time to check his credentials).
Citizens could elect Fidel Castro. ( With citizens hammering at elected officials and badgering their so-called “conservative” talk show weenies begging them to cover the issue.)
The Electoral College could vote for Fidel Castro for U.S. President. ( Again with thousands of citizen writing, faxing and calling in to object.).
Attorney Berg might even get Fidel's case all the way to the Supreme Court. ( With a minimum of 250,000 FedEX letters, and other letters and notifications by the thousands upon thousands, arriving begging the Supreme court to hear the case.)
The Congress could approve him.( With thousands of citizens writing, calling, and faxing in objection.)
And...Citizens have “no standing” to go to court and ask that our Constitution be upheld, and Fidel Castro’s natural born status examined.
Somehow, I don't think this is what our Founding Fathers had in mind.
As far as the “perry mason” wannabees are concerned... well, when they start putting their money where there mouths are THEN I will start collecting...so far, all I've gotten are a lot of deadbeats...”all hat, no cattle”
It also includes nearly all of yapping so-called “conservative” commentator class. For me, this was a “deal breaker”. I now know their true character. These loud mouthed talk show hosts are opportunists who **use** conservatives.
These talk show hosts ( even those with 20 million listeners) are **users**. When tyranny comes, these guys ( and few gals) will throw conservatives away like a soiled wad of Kleenx. Instead, they will turn their smooth tongues to promoting the oppressive propaganda of the oligarchy, and will eagerly wipe the noses of dictators.
Yes, I am that disgusted with Rush, Beck, Hannity, OReilly, Coulter, Malkin, Levine, Boortz, Medved, Ingram, and the entire stable of Fox News beauties.
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