Posted on 10/02/2009 3:35:27 PM PDT by MissTickly
President Obama's original birth certificate was "record in accordance with state policies and procedures," but his vital records were "maintained on file."
Oct,31, 2008: “...Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures..."
July 27, 2009: "“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
July 27, 2009, I asked this question of the Hawaiian DoH: "Is the Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, able to state they have verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has President Barack Obama's AMENDED original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures."
A careful parsing of words seems necessary because one COLB can say this: "Filed by Registrar" While another can say this: "Accepted by Registrar" Despite what you read online, or see presented by anonymous people that you've never met and you don't know-Hawaii must explain what this means. It's a procedural question that I cannot get an answer to. Why?
The last I communicated to Dr. Fukino, on October 1st, I wrote her the following, and she has not responded to correct any mischaracterizations. Please take note of that:
Dr. Fukino--
Per your press release statement on July 27, 2009, are you telling us that, in part, you saw "vital records" that include some kind of a representation of a stated "filed" and threfore pending application for an amended/corrected Birth Certificate (it was on file, not on record) and evidence filed to support an amendment/correction, but that evidence was still pending approval on July 27, 2009? I am sorry for the characterizations I give in lieu of knowing the legal jargon. Please correct me if I have mischaracterized anything.
I am finally realizing I really need to understand what 'on file' and 'filed with the registrar' means compared to "accepted by registrar" and "on record." Can you help me understand or direct me to one of your staff for explanation? If you don't already know--a woman has presented her own "filed with registrar" type COLB that she asserta represents a normal, indexed-at-birth, run of the mill Hawaiian birth certificate to natural parents with all information in pristine, original condition.
Is that possible? Should a record like I just described typically say "Accepted by Registrar?"
I have requested from the AG library archive, the opinion letter that I believe sets out the procedures for filing an application for an amended birth certificate. But I have not received it yet. If the DoH is able to provide a copy--please do.
If you meant for people to understand you in July, and if I am understanding things correctly without having the necessary AG letter. Woman, I seriously underestimated you. I want people like you working for government.
I don't know what you can answer that I just asked, if anything. But, if you can correct any mischaracterizations about policy and procedure--please do.
I am giving pause to all of this. You have been very candid, I believe. I just was too blind to see that you put it all out there for anyone paying attention. You've been as fair as can be to BOTH sides of this issue from what I can discern.
Thank you. T.
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And I brought my question from July 27, 2009 full circle:
Aloha Dr. Fukino,
Please use THIS version of my questions. So very sorry--I am struggling with the difference between the words "on file" and "on record." I am going to go with "on record." I realize I might have to resubmit at some point with the "on file" language.
If you would please answer the following questions for me per your statement on July 27, 2009:
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
On July 27, 2009 per your issued statement, did you personally verify that the "vital records" you saw were NOT maintained on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?
On July 27, 2009 per your issued statement, did the Registrar of Vital Statistics personally see and verify that the "vital records" you saw were NOT maintained on record in accordance with state policies and procedures?
Thank you for your continued patience on this issue. If you would please answer the two questions above separately--that would be ideal. I am afraid that a blending of the answers will muddy your efforts to be forthcoming with the public. If you have already been forthcoming--that effort should be recognized and not distorted.
Sincerely, T.
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CONCLUSIONS? Was the President's Natural Born Citizenship verified with a long form birth certificate, an application to amend his birth place and insufficient pending evidence of that amendment? On July 28th, did Congress sell us out with a Resolution that declared that President Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961?
Did Congress provide the 'evidence' to amend the President's Birth Place.
Get answers from Hawaii. If need be, get answers from Congress.
Thanks for letting me post here FR.=)
I have asked these questions. I have requested the AG letter. They have answered NEITHER of these requests. I need people, warm bodies to ask questions, too.
If you aren’t comfortable asking—please don’t. You may not want to be the one decipher Fukino’s two statements.
Nice question and I am glad to clarify.
“Just wondering. Since the communication was with you, why can you not ask those questions? Someone asking out of the blue, will give them wiggle room enough that the defination of the terms you need to know will never happen. What is going on?”
How are things at DOJ these days?
Came on board for the campaign, eh?
Thanks Wintertime. ArrogantSOB seems to hold a quasi-lawyerly contrarian view in just about every reply on this thread. It’s frustrating because I don’t know whether to read his/her replies as serious arguments or simply as a troll trying to incite us.
Your common sense reply is a refreshing read.
Oh geeze. Didn’t occur to me. Turning on TV now to see what’s up.
LOL,
The River Nairobi?
Hey arrogantsob, are you working in/for the 0bama administration? You seem to be trying every possible argument to either convolute things or require standards of definition beyond what a reasonable person would already understand.
What’s the deal??? Are you just dense?!? Sheesh!
The main point of adding in the “natural born” clause was to avoid a president with dual (or divided) loyalties. Plain and simple. If 0bama has loyalties to Britain or Kenya or Singapore or any other nation based on his place of birth or his holding their citizenship (now or in the past) or for any other reason, he’s exactly what the framers sought to avoid.
It is my firm and unyielding belief the American people deserve to know the truth. If you agree that we deserve to know the truth, stop being argumentative and contrarian and start working toward a solution. If you don’t think we deserve to know the truth, please feel free to argue elsewhere.
Came on board for the campaign, eh?
He came here to disrupt the thread.
Wonder how much these DOJ guys get paid out of the taxpayer’s pocket for this activity? It will be interesting to see if their activity and numbers increase as the birth fraud begins to unravel.
Please find out what “maintained on filed means.”
Conversely, ask them what “on record” means with both the DoH and the Registrar.
And what “Accepted by State Registrar” means on a COLB.
After all this time, we still don't have a definition about this. Hawaii is covering for the Obama's forged COLB.
Hey guys, MissTickly is asking us for some help with her investigation. Hawaii officials responded to her requests for information but failed to define terms used in those responses. She’s asking someone who knows what they are doing to help her find out the answers to these questions she has. ArragantSOB took over the thread.
Then I ask you all to find out what these simple terms mean, ASK HAWAII. It could cast MUCH doubt on the veracity of his Vital Records used to verify he was born in Hawaii and a NBC.
Please help find out what “Filed by Registrar” means a COLB.
Please find out what “maintained on filed means.”
Conversely, ask them what “on record” means with both the DoH and the Registrar.
And what “Accepted by State Registrar” means on a COLB.
Thank you Sara. Thank you SO much. You get it.
These guys and gals should know that people are watching them. And...I can not see how a few definitions could compromise anyone’s privacy.
Terri, I believe you are right on the trail and am glad you’re doing your own thing at this point.
Please contact Orly. She goes to court Monday. This could be critical. Also, is there anyone in HI that can go to the appropriate room and check things out. The items posted on Leo’s site need human eyes. Maybe with someone to take an affidavit?
As regards to the ‘pending’ document, unless Orly can get a court order how else can it be examined? Perhaps it does not matter, though as whatever the amendment to the BC is, it has created doubts in the mind of the folks at DoH.
Sounds like it is something that ‘cleanses’ Zero’s NBC status. Perhaps a change of parent name?
Good luck. Let me know if I can help in any way.
“On Monday I will make a phone call to Hawaii, and I will e-mail and snail mail them.
These guys and gals should know that people are watching them. And...I can not see how a few definitions could compromise anyone’s privacy.”
Thanks, wintertime.
btt
Wrong. You working at the DOJ in the blogger posts?
Also, per an earlier post you stated only Naturalized or Natural born US citizen. Nope. Native born is the third option and is what Zero or his fight the smears folks had posted at one time.
It may be a whole lot easier if we can find someone in Hawaii that can research the answer to the question “ Date Accepted by Registrar” v. “ Date Filed by Registrar”.
“This issue was thoroughly put to rest last fall when it first reared its head. Our courts ruled on it long ago and it is not in doubt except among those not caring enough to research it.”
Nope. Epic fail on your effort. DOJ is getting ripped off in their ministry of propaganda sub-department.
You keep referring to something “as I would wish” when anyone who followed the discussion would know that I was correcting the comment of another who believed that there was discussion within the Constitution of what consituted “natural-born”. I merely pointed out that was NOT the case and then you got your panties in a twist and launched off on a tangent about my “wishes”.
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