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Grizzly mauls sheepherder; kills dogs, sheep
Sublette Examiner ^ | September 15, 2009 | Joy Ufford with Derek Farr

Posted on 09/15/2009 2:27:56 PM PDT by jazusamo

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To: jazusamo

WTF?


21 posted on 09/15/2009 2:54:00 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck. (Let them eat arugula!))
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To: jazusamo
“Thoman said giving her sheepherders guns to shoot marauding predators isn’t a solution – “or we just have more trouble.””

More trouble for her from the a$$hole game wardens who are trying to get more wolves and bears in places they shouldn't be, but maybe a lot less trouble for the guy who was hurt.


22 posted on 09/15/2009 2:55:40 PM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: landerwy

Sad, isn’t it, that bears and wolves are protected, while the people are not. (same thing goes for timber....we used to have a sawmill in Wyo.)


23 posted on 09/15/2009 2:55:46 PM PDT by Rushmore Rocks
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To: jazusamo; Tamzee

The “trouble” she meant was probably with the state Fish and Game Dept. I’m sure these animals are protected up one side and down the other, and shooting one would probably land her employee and her in jail. State and Federal wildlife management systems are completely nutz when it comes to protecting predators...they are encouraging a revival of marauding, and the animals have lost their fear of humans.


24 posted on 09/15/2009 2:58:30 PM PDT by livius
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To: jazusamo

I bet the dead dogs and sheep would have other thoughts on this as well.


25 posted on 09/15/2009 2:59:49 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: DarthVader
I think my 45-70 could take the Grizzly down as well.
26 posted on 09/15/2009 2:59:58 PM PDT by peeps36 (Democrats Don't Need No Stinking Input From You Little People)
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To: Artemis Webb

Maybe the O can have a beer sumit with the grizzlies to reason with them to stay away


27 posted on 09/15/2009 3:04:22 PM PDT by Citizen Soldier (Just got up from Bedroomshire)
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To: livius

Yes, that’s it but people do have the right of self defense, the problem lies with having to prove self defense.


28 posted on 09/15/2009 3:05:18 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Rushmore Rocks
Sad, isn’t it, that bears and wolves are protected, while
the people are not.


But not a bit suprising in this politically-correct,
"save the planet" culture we've got to outlast.
29 posted on 09/15/2009 3:05:41 PM PDT by VOA
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To: livius

“The “trouble” she meant was probably with the state Fish and Game Dept.”

Shot a grizzly, especially a COLLARED sow with a cub...
there aren’t enough lawyers in Christendom (or on the planet)
to save somebody from the wrath of the US guvmint and their bosses
in the environmental-extremist groups.

Even if it was transparently clear that the shooting was an absolutely
necessary act to save a poor shepard.


30 posted on 09/15/2009 3:10:54 PM PDT by VOA
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To: jazusamo
Sx3
31 posted on 09/15/2009 3:21:09 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Citizen Soldier
"Maybe the O can have a beer sumit with the grizzlies to reason with them to stay away"

LMAO

32 posted on 09/15/2009 3:31:21 PM PDT by Artemis Webb
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To: jazusamo

A Saiga 12 with a drum and 3” slugs...Maybe some breach loads, expensive yes, but what is your life worth?


33 posted on 09/15/2009 3:34:41 PM PDT by waterhill (Zero, you suck..)
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To: jazusamo

Shoot, shovel and shut up.


34 posted on 09/15/2009 3:35:06 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Citizen Soldier

LOL! I’ll buy the beer.


35 posted on 09/15/2009 3:39:17 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: VOA
Shot a grizzly, especially a COLLARED sow with a cub... there aren’t enough lawyers in Christendom (or on the planet)to save somebody from the wrath of the US guvmint and their bosses in the environmental-extremist groups.

That was my thought too. I swear this is insane. I visit Spain and the government there stopped sheep ranchers (wool and meat are big products in Spain, where lamb is a popular meat) from shooting wolves. End result? Wolves are now coming down from the Pyrennes, the mountains in Northern Spain. They are suspected in a few deaths of elderly rural people who were out walking in the fields by themselves and were found torn apart and eaten, but the government always blames it on "wild dogs." But there are no packs of wild dogs there and everybody knows it's the protected wolves that did it.

36 posted on 09/15/2009 3:48:01 PM PDT by livius
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To: jazusamo

Exactly. No matter what people do, the government will say there is something they could have done other than killing the grizzly. I think we’re living in a completely psychotic upside down world.


37 posted on 09/15/2009 3:49:18 PM PDT by livius
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To: jazusamo

So long as the bullet holes indicate the predator is facing the intended snack, things are different than if the predator was shot facing in another direction.

If the bullet holes in the predator are congruent with the snack’s statement that “I feared for my life”, then regardless of the zealotry of the AgencyPersons, any criminal case filed would have to be dismissed.

The ranchers need to find a law firm willing and able to defend such cases. Only then may the predatory beast’s intended snack defend their life as necessary without the fear of criminal law suits by one of the jack booted Scumbos or Scumbalinas in the agencies.

Any employee sending employees into a fight with a grizzly bear with less than an appropriate bear gun is risking a whopper of a law suit.

Pepper spray is a vastly inferior predator repellent than is gunpowder.

Should any ranchers be interested in setting up such a legal defense team, please FR mail me.


38 posted on 09/15/2009 3:50:38 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: waterhill

Sorry, but the drum won’t handle 3” shells, unless you are referring to the metal drum.

That has a number of problems, according to the forum members.

The plastic drum is for 23/4” shells, and actually only handles 2.40 length shells. That means that even some 23/4 shells won’t fir. Some Wolf shells come to mind.

IMHO, the drum is best for nasty crowd scenes, riots in the Big Sh*tty, or a pack of wolves closing in.

PS Beware of Winchester Universal shells for practice. Supposedly, they wont reliable cycle the Saiga 12.

PPS Reliable 8, 10, and 12 shot mags are available for the Saiga 12. Do not use 3” max loads in the 12 shot mag, due to inertia. Cut it to 8 or 10 rounds.

Dixie makes a superb range of 12 gauge shells, some of which equal or exceed the old Paradox shells.


39 posted on 09/15/2009 4:00:51 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: GladesGuru

BTTT!


40 posted on 09/15/2009 4:04:07 PM PDT by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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