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Man vs. God
WSJ ^ | 11 Sep 2009 | Karen Armstrong & Richard Dawkins

Posted on 09/12/2009 9:18:23 AM PDT by BGHater

Karen Armstrong says we need God to grasp the wonder of our existence

Richard Dawkins has been right all along, of course—at least in one important respect. Evolution has indeed dealt a blow to the idea of a benign creator, literally conceived. It tells us that there is no Intelligence controlling the cosmos, and that life itself is the result of a blind process of natural selection, in which innumerable species failed to survive. The fossil record reveals a natural history of pain, death and racial extinction, so if there was a divine plan, it was cruel, callously prodigal and wasteful. Human beings were not the pinnacle of a purposeful creation; like everything else, they evolved by trial and error and God had no direct hand in their making. No wonder so many fundamentalist Christians find their faith shaken to the core

But Darwin may have done religion—and God—a favor by revealing a flaw in modern Western faith. Despite our scientific and technological brilliance, our understanding of God is often remarkably undeveloped—even primitive. In the past, many of the most influential Jewish, Christian and Muslim thinkers understood that what we call "God" is merely a symbol that points beyond itself to an indescribable transcendence, whose existence cannot be proved but is only intuited by means of spiritual exercises and a compassionate lifestyle that enable us to cultivate new capacities of mind and heart.

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TOPICS: Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: darwin; evolution; god; religion

1 posted on 09/12/2009 9:18:23 AM PDT by BGHater
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To: BGHater

>>volution has indeed dealt a blow to the idea of a benign creator, literally conceived. It tells us that there is no Intelligence controlling the cosmos<<

It says no such thing, so there is no point in continuing the read.

Mendacity in the name of the Lord is a particularly heinous sin.


2 posted on 09/12/2009 9:28:33 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

“Man vs. God”.

Shouldn’t that be “Dawkins vs. God”?

Think I know who’s gonna win this one...


3 posted on 09/12/2009 9:29:45 AM PDT by Radagast the Fool ("Mexico-Beirut with tacos!"--Dr. Zoidberg)
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To: Radagast the Fool

I suspect we will have the standard non sequitur of “a person who understands TToE says”=”all people who understand TToE say.”


4 posted on 09/12/2009 9:31:47 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: BGHater
No wonder so many fundamentalist Christians find their faith shaken to the core

Not really.

Pretty good article in the end. Its funny, a guy like Dawkins looks at the wonders of the universe and sees nothing, no intelligence, nothing that speaks to him of anything beyond chemistry and physics. Its almost like he sees the world in two dimensions. I look at the very same world, posit his physical descriptions of the mechanics of the universe as "close enough" but I see it in 3D. I see God in every inch of it. He sees the laws of physics as proof no God exists and I see those very laws themselves as his DNA, as a clue into his nature.

He looks at the tragedy that is life and sees no evidence of God. I look at it and I see God on all sides. And I see life itself as a miracle, even mixed with tragedy as it often is, a miracle that demands courage of us and a certain stubborn toughness of spirit but a beautiful miracle nonetheless.

5 posted on 09/12/2009 9:37:35 AM PDT by marron
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To: marron

>>He looks at the tragedy that is life and sees no evidence of God. I look at it and I see God on all sides. <<

I agree. It is like describing a Rembrandt to a blind person, only magnitudes greater.

But Dawkins is important in that there are naturalistic explanations for all we encounter. That is the How — the Why is a completely different issue. And, as you pointed out, many (I would hope most) Christians are intelligent enough to see how TToE fits into God’s plan.


6 posted on 09/12/2009 9:43:18 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: freedumb2003

Tools in the tool kit.


7 posted on 09/12/2009 9:45:03 AM PDT by marron
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To: freedumb2003

God made evolution happen.


8 posted on 09/12/2009 9:45:23 AM PDT by Roux (Ignorance can be cured but stupid is forever.)
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To: Roux

>>God made evolution happen.<<

Yes He did!


9 posted on 09/12/2009 9:47:34 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: BGHater

Basic question: where did the laws of chemistry and physics come from?


10 posted on 09/12/2009 9:49:20 AM PDT by beethovenfan (If Islam is the solution, the "problem" must be freedom.)
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To: beethovenfan

Duh, from Gov’t! What a silly question.


11 posted on 09/12/2009 9:54:00 AM PDT by BGHater (Insanity is voting for Republicans and expecting Conservatism.)
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To: marron
I agree, we see and experience the power of our creator, and the miracle of life in everything we view each and every day. That is,- if and only if, we open our eyes.

Your explanation is a wonderful, clear and accurate definition of a faith in God.

12 posted on 09/12/2009 9:54:23 AM PDT by aloppoct (stucnsf)
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To: BGHater
No wonder so many fundamentalist Christians find their faith shaken to the core

This lady does not know any Fundamentalists. She acts like Dawkins is some uber wise guru who makes perfect arguments that can't be shaken.

13 posted on 09/12/2009 9:56:00 AM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: BGHater

She sounds like a new ager.


14 posted on 09/12/2009 9:56:30 AM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: BGHater
We now know that tiny changes in various physical constants of the universe would have made life as we know it impossible. Are we supposed to believe that the selection of just the right values for those constants was by chance?

If God intervened in every event and thereby micromanaged history, there would be no room for free will; we would all be automatons, with no ability to love and to choose salvation.

The Bible shows that God works through events in the history of mankind, intervening to preserve those who are "chosen according to his purposes," but that many people are destined for condemnation. How is that different from the extinction of most species according to evolutionary theory?

15 posted on 09/12/2009 10:03:40 AM PDT by hellbender
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