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What does this ZOT mean, in your words?
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Posted on 09/05/2009 8:12:09 AM PDT by here for truth 430 RIP Daddy

****In certain extreme situations, the law is inadequate. In order to shame its inadequacy, it is necessary to act outside the law. To pursue... natural justice. This is not vengeance. Revenge is not a valid motive, it's an emotional response. No. Not vengeance. Punishment. *****

Note: In the most simple way to explain your thoughts, please, on how this statement individualy effects you.

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To: here for truth 430 RIP Daddy

i like cheese


21 posted on 09/05/2009 8:30:16 AM PDT by Redcloak ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: here for truth 430 RIP Daddy
Justice does not always equal punishment. We put so many people in jail for the most horrible crimes but it just doesn't seem like enough sometimes.

How often have you heard someone whos' loved one was a victim of a criminal say that they would execute the perp themselves if they could. Would it really help them feel any better about it? I don't know.


22 posted on 09/05/2009 8:31:34 AM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: al baby

That’s what they want you to believe.


23 posted on 09/05/2009 8:31:39 AM PDT by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: here for truth 430 RIP Daddy; Old Sarge

24 posted on 09/05/2009 8:32:50 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Double your income. Fire the government)
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To: ecomcon

Thank you. That one drives me nuts.


25 posted on 09/05/2009 8:33:19 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.)
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To: here for truth 430 RIP Daddy
Killing someone except in self defense or in war is illegal. Life is more complicated then in fiction but people do what they feel they have to. I prefer my violence to be in the movies.
26 posted on 09/05/2009 8:35:44 AM PDT by dog breath
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To: here for truth 430 RIP Daddy
Cool link! I guess that's why you haven't been truly zotted! ;-)

Wiki quote from 1984:

"The horrible thing about the Two Minutes Hate was not that one was obliged to act a part, but that it was impossible to avoid joining in. Within thirty seconds any pretence was always unnecessary. A hideous ecstasy of fear and vindictiveness, a desire to kill, to torture, to smash faces in with a sledge hammer, seemed to flow through the whole group of people like an electric current, turning one even against one's will into a grimacing, screaming lunatic. And yet the rage that one felt was an abstract, undirected emotion which could be switched from one object to another like the flame of a blowlamp."

Now that I think about it - that's how I feel about trolls ... ;-)

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27 posted on 09/05/2009 8:36:26 AM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: here for truth 430 RIP Daddy; Lady Jag
Have you noticed the full moon? It's called the Corn moon.


28 posted on 09/05/2009 8:37:52 AM PDT by Daffynition ("...... we are about to be czarred and fettered." ~ alterum ictum faciam.)
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To: here for truth 430 RIP Daddy

Means the law does not apply to you if you do not think it should apply to you. It kind of sounds like chaos or anarchy to me. Gibbs did say it was the “silly season right?


29 posted on 09/05/2009 8:37:59 AM PDT by vicar7
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To: here for truth 430 RIP Daddy
"In order to act outside the law..."

We, therefore, the representatives of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good people of these colonies, solemnly publish and declare, that these united colonies are, and of right ought to be free and independent states; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the state of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent states, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

30 posted on 09/05/2009 8:38:01 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.)
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To: vicar7

So did these guys...


31 posted on 09/05/2009 8:39:14 AM PDT by Ready4Freddy (The time has come for someone to put his foot down. And that foot is me.)
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To: here for truth 430 RIP Daddy
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32 posted on 09/05/2009 8:39:24 AM PDT by IYellAtMyTV (Workday Forecast--Increasing pressure towards afternoon. Rum likely by evening.)
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To: here for truth 430 RIP Daddy

It means that somebody wants to “get even” through illegal means, and wants the reader to believe that it’s for the purpose of punishment and not revenge.


33 posted on 09/05/2009 8:49:36 AM PDT by meyer (Do not go gentle into that good night - Rage, rage against the dying of the light.)
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To: here for truth 430 RIP Daddy

Ask your mommy what it means.


34 posted on 09/05/2009 9:00:30 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Daffynition

35 posted on 09/05/2009 9:01:27 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Double your income. Fire the government)
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To: here for truth 430 RIP Daddy

I feel the calm, righteous anger unencumbered by guilt at the source of shadowy figures who direct actions to obliterate the God given rights of the peoples of this Republic.

Interpret as you will.


36 posted on 09/05/2009 9:01:43 AM PDT by RetSignman (Townhalls ..."We have seen the Patriots and they are us")
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Thanks for the input.


37 posted on 09/05/2009 9:13:12 AM PDT by here for truth 430 RIP Daddy
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To: meyer

Yes, that’s what I think it means, just wanted to know if I was the only person who saw it this way. Thanks for all the comments, and the welcome.


38 posted on 09/05/2009 9:13:13 AM PDT by here for truth 430 RIP Daddy
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To: here for truth 430 RIP Daddy

Historically, such as in California, vigilantism came about as a gradual process, not just when government was no longer protecting the public from organized crime, but when the government was either taken over by criminals, or supporting organized crime over the public.

At first, without any trappings of vigilantism, citizens would in an orderly manner complain to their government about wrongdoing. At that point, they were usually ignored by their government. After a time, citizens groups would start to form, mostly to petition for grievances, and to seek political change. All very openly and aboveboard.

The political leaders would at first deride them, but at some stage afterward, start to feel threatened by a legitimate political opposition, so would conspire with the organized criminals to disrupt or attack the citizens groups. Usually not in too severe a manner, just to convince them to stop protesting.

At this point, a core of determined citizens would still try to peaceably assemble, and perhaps draft flyers, advertising programs to force the criminal organizations to leave their area, similar to neighborhood watch programs. This was also when they would appeal to higher government, which would likely ignore them as well.

This was when things started to become violent. The organized crime gangs, with or without complicity by the government, would physically attack and injure, or kill, some of these watchmen. And instead of trying to persuade the organized criminals to settle down and not make more trouble that is bad for business, the government would declare the peaceful citizens organizations “outlaws”, and threaten them with arrest.

In turn, this forced the organization underground, and it finally became a vigilante organization. But still, more interested in driving the criminals out than injuring or killing anyone.

Sensing their restored power, the organized criminals would then strike back at the public, attempting to “teach them a lesson”, by brutality, mayhem and murder.

And only *then* would the vigilante organization fight back. Because only by *then* would the public be so enraged and injured that it would quickly and willingly form a vigilante mob.

Then, and only then would the public strike back, all called a “vigilante mob”, even though only a relative few would be members of the underground organization. At this point, as a large mob, they usually try to burn the criminals out of the buildings they are occupying, and driving out the criminals supporters, and killing any of the violent criminals they capture.

Finally, after this night of chaos, the higher level government is forced to intervene, “to restore order”, though by the time they have arrived, order has been restored, the organized criminals and their political allies either killed or driven out of town, with just the clean up remaining.

After some brief period of attempting to determine who the vigilantes were, the higher government gives up, hearing what was going on for once, and the situation returns to normal, with a new, reform government.

This pattern of vigilantism has been repeated around the world, not just in the US, but in Asia and Europe. Only because of media embellishment and publication has it been seen as a distinctly American practice.


39 posted on 09/05/2009 9:13:16 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: RetSignman

Thank You for the comments, and the welcome.


40 posted on 09/05/2009 9:13:52 AM PDT by here for truth 430 RIP Daddy
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