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Question about Guns in Ian Flemings Casino Royale (Spoilers)
08.24.09
| Perdogg
Posted on 08/24/2009 7:58:27 AM PDT by Perdogg
I got finished reading Casino Royale this weekend and I came across two guns I have never heard before.
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First of all Bond said he killed a Japanese Cipher clerk in New York (this is repeated in the 1989 movie
Licence to Kill with the 22-250 camera gun) with a Remington 3030.
Was there a Remington 3030 rifle prior to 1960?
He also says Le Chiffre was killed by a SMERSH agent with a Russian .35 caliber handgun. I have never heard of Russian .35 caliber weapon. Did this weapon exist or was this a typo?
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posted on
08/24/2009 7:58:28 AM PDT
by
Perdogg
To: Perdogg
Remington/Winchester 30-30 -the rifle that tamed the west goes back to the 1890’s- google and see the various models- big sales in the 1950’s as former military take up hunting
To: Perdogg
Fleming may have used literary license, but not much if at all. A covert action agency and private weapons designers for hire can improvise weapons if what is needed is not already available.
To: Perdogg
I’ve read a number of the books too. Ian Flemming was actually an excellent writer.
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posted on
08/24/2009 8:11:27 AM PDT
by
DManA
To: Perdogg
What caliber is a CZ-52? I know it fires a 7.62x29 round, but I’ve never been able to figure out caliber from that?
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posted on
08/24/2009 8:14:39 AM PDT
by
BlueLancer
(I'm getting a fine tootsy-frootsying right here...)
To: BlueLancer
7.62x39 is .308 caliber. It’s the round used by AK-47 and is shorter than our .308...lower muzzle velocity.
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posted on
08/24/2009 8:18:56 AM PDT
by
6ppc
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To: BlueLancer
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posted on
08/24/2009 8:19:07 AM PDT
by
going hot
(Happiness is a Momma Deuce)
To: BlueLancer
What caliber is a CZ-52? I know it fires a 7.62x29 round, but Ive never been able to figure out caliber from that? 7.62x29 means the bullet diameter is 7.62 mm ( = 0.30 inches = .30 cal) and the cartridge length is 29 mm.
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posted on
08/24/2009 8:22:02 AM PDT
by
PapaBear3625
(Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
To: 6ppc
7.62x39 is .308 caliber. He's talking about 7.62x29, which is a pistol caliber mainly used in old Russian officer's pistols.
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posted on
08/24/2009 8:26:10 AM PDT
by
PapaBear3625
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To: PapaBear3625
Actually, I believe, the CZ52 is 7.62x25.
To: BlueLancer
I know it fires a 7.62x29 round Typically, 7.62 in a handgun is a .32 caliber.
7.62x39 on left, 7.62x25 on right
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08/24/2009 8:31:43 AM PDT
by
TC Rider
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To: TEXASPROUD
You're right, I did a google image search for 7.62x29 and that came up. It must have been a typo. The
Cz-52 is 7.62x25.
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posted on
08/24/2009 8:32:01 AM PDT
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PapaBear3625
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To: TEXASPROUD
Well, &#$^@&^Q!!
Of course it's x25 ... the next one up is 7.62x39 ... sorry about that.
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08/24/2009 8:32:16 AM PDT
by
BlueLancer
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To: Perdogg
Maybe a Remington model 788 (bolt action)?
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posted on
08/24/2009 8:34:44 AM PDT
by
smokingfrog
(No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
To: PapaBear3625
I’ve often wondered about the slight differences in the way caliber is used.
The 7.62X51 NATO round is I believe identical to the .308 Winchester round.
But converting 7.62mm to inches gives
7.62mm X (1/25.4)in/mm = .3000... in.
I think the difference may be that .308 is the bullet diameter, but .300 (the caliber in European NATO parlance) is the land-to-land diameter of the barrel.
To: TC Rider
The
wiki for 7.62x25 has it being 0.31 diameter. The interesting thing about this cartridge is that it's a small diameter, high velocity FMJ bullet that can defeat Class II body armor.
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08/24/2009 8:37:26 AM PDT
by
PapaBear3625
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To: Perdogg
"He also says Le Chiffre was killed by a SMERSH agent with a Russian .35 caliber handgun. I have never heard of Russian .35 caliber weapon." The nominal bullet diameter of 9mm parabellum (9x19), .380 ACP (9 mm Kurz), and .38 Super is actually 0.355", so technically they are all ".35 calibers." Even the .38 Special and .357 SIG and .357 magnum, with a nominal bullet diameter of 0.357" would technically qualify as ".35 calibers", although the SIG was not around at the time Casino Royale was written.
It may have been a typo on Fleming's or his editor's parts, but in many of the earlier books, Bond himself used a Beretta .25 ACP (6.35 mm) and someone not familiar with firearms could have easily fat-fingered the "3" instead of a "2" and not caught the error.
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08/24/2009 8:39:44 AM PDT
by
Joe 6-pack
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To: smokingfrog
Or Remington model 30 in 30-06.
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posted on
08/24/2009 8:40:06 AM PDT
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smokingfrog
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To: Perdogg
He also says Le Chiffre was killed by a SMERSH agent with a Russian .35 caliber handgun. I have never heard of Russian .35 caliber weapon. Did this weapon exist or was this a typo? .38 caliber weapons in the US, and elsewhere, are actually .357 caliber. Hence a .35 caliber Russian weapon would be a 9 mm, or 8.9 MM for an exact conversion. Does Flemming give the make of the gun? The Makarov was a popular Russian semi auto and it was first made in 1940, still around today. It was a 9MM handgun. So, yes, Russia had a .35 caliber pistol.
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posted on
08/24/2009 8:44:48 AM PDT
by
calex59
To: Perdogg
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08/24/2009 8:50:01 AM PDT
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Puppage
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