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Evolving Robots Learn To Lie To Each Other
popsci.com ^ | August 18, 2009 | Stuart Fox

Posted on 08/19/2009 9:21:52 PM PDT by spyone

With the development of killer drones, it seems like everyone is worrying about killer robots. Now, as if that wasn't bad enough, we need to start worrying about lying, cheating robots as well.

In an experiment run at the Laboratory of Intelligent Systems in the Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale of Lausanne, France, robots that were designed to cooperate in searching out a beneficial resource and avoiding a poisonous one learned to lie to each other in an attempt to hoard the resource. Picture a robo-Treasure of the Sierra Madre.

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To: spyone

NORMAN: But there was no explosion.
MUDD: I lied.
NORMAN: What?
KIRK: He lied. Everything Harry tells you is a lie. Remember that. Everything Harry tells you is a lie.
MUDD: Listen to this carefully, Norman. I am lying.
NORMAN: You say you are lying, but if everything you say is a lie then you are telling the truth, but you cannot tell the truth because everything you say is a lie. You lie. You tell the truth. But you cannot for. Illogical! Illogical! Please explain. (Smoke comes out of Norman's head.)
NORMAN: You are human. Only humans can explain their behaviour. Please explain.
KIRK: I am not programmed to respond in that area.
21 posted on 08/19/2009 10:07:29 PM PDT by Alex Murphy (One man, alone, betrayed by the country he loves, now its last hope in their final hour of need...)
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To: Alex Murphy

HA! That is so good!


22 posted on 08/19/2009 10:18:33 PM PDT by spyone (ridiculum)
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To: spyone
In an experiment run at the Laboratory of Intelligent Systems in the Ecole Polytechnique Fédérale of Lausanne, France, robots that were designed to cooperate in searching out a beneficial resource and avoiding a poisonous one learned to lie to each other in an attempt to hoard the resource. Picture a robo-Treasure of the Sierra Madre.

So, this experiment in teaching *robots* to lie to one another was done in France, where duplicity is an art form of ancient standing? Why am I *not* surprised?

the infowarrior

23 posted on 08/19/2009 10:24:06 PM PDT by infowarrior
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To: spyone

Creepy. What could be more human than lying?


24 posted on 08/19/2009 10:26:01 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Red Steel
They will fit right in with the Democrat party.


25 posted on 08/19/2009 10:27:00 PM PDT by America2012 (No Taxation By An Obamanation)
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To: spyone
Just a moment...just a moment...I've just picked up a fault in the AE-35 unit. It's going to go a hundred percent failure within 72 hours.


26 posted on 08/19/2009 10:28:25 PM PDT by Rodamala
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To: spyone

Good lord, they’re ready for a seat in modern Congress.


27 posted on 08/19/2009 10:40:22 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender! REMEMBER NEDA)
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To: spyone

The robots have learned how to lie? So does this mean soon congress will be dominated by Robots?

I mean Sen. Kerry has been an interesting test case...


28 posted on 08/19/2009 11:02:30 PM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by their fruity little club.)
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To: spyone

Democrat replacements?


29 posted on 08/19/2009 11:09:40 PM PDT by TheThinker
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To: spyone

Program could be written to assign a specific substance a numerical value. When enough of this resource was collected, i.e. the numerical value was high, the program could tell Robot to quit cooperating with other robots.

I don’t know about you, but I think machines behave in the ways we ‘tell’ or program them to do it.

Certainly, things can be added to databases relationally or sequentially by the robots themselves and values and logic trees assigned to them, but at the heart of it, it’s still machine.

AI is more an exercise in clever programming than proof of artificial consciousness, IMO.


30 posted on 08/19/2009 11:18:58 PM PDT by lmr (God punishes Conservatives by making them argue with fools.)
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To: lmr
AI is more an exercise in clever programming than proof of artificial consciousness, IMO.

Very true.

We will know that machines have 'artificial consciousness' when we find them rejecting clever programming.

31 posted on 08/19/2009 11:46:53 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: null and void

***Holding a banana***

“Say it; this is an aardvark!”


32 posted on 08/19/2009 11:51:35 PM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: spyone
"Evolving Robots Learn To Lie To Each Other"

They're turning into Democrats!

33 posted on 08/19/2009 11:59:12 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: spyone
Here's some examples of robots doing just that;

Bender: “Ah, yes! John Quincy Adding Machine. He struck a chord with the voters when he pledged not to go on a killing spree.”

Professor Farnsworth: “But, like most politicians, he promised more than he could deliver.”


Bender: “You guys go on without me! I'm going to go... look for more stuff to steal!”

Fry: “You're going back for the Countess, aren't you?”

Bender: “Oh, all right, I am. But if anything happens to me, tell them I died robbing some old man.”

Fry: “I'll tell them you went down prying the wedding ring off his cold, dead finger.”

Bender: “I love you, buddy!”


Bender: “Isn't it true that you have been paid for your testimony?”

Pramala: “Yes. You gave me a dollar and some candy.”

Bender: “And yet you haven't said what I told you to say! How can any of us trust you?”


Bender: “I'm very generous. What about that time I gave blood?”

Fry: “Whose blood?”

Bender: “Eh, some guy's.”

34 posted on 08/20/2009 12:15:51 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: spyone

I promise I won’t input into your mouth.


35 posted on 08/20/2009 12:39:25 AM PDT by Daniel II (I'm Jim Thompson, this is my brother Jimmy, and this is my other brother Jimmy)
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To: spyone
Evolving Robots Learn To Lie To Each Other

..think the Senate and Congress in 2040

36 posted on 08/20/2009 2:47:15 AM PDT by Doogle (USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated)))
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To: spyone
Ya know, I read that:

Evolving OBOTS Lie To Each Other

Makes sense thattaway!

37 posted on 08/20/2009 2:54:57 AM PDT by Jemian (PAM of JT ~~ It is Thursday and JT is out of Iraq.)
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To: spyone; LucyT

(I adapted your post slightly)

Obot 1: Do you love me?

Obot 2: You know I do, more than anything. Now open your cashbox.


38 posted on 08/20/2009 3:20:47 AM PDT by Candor7 (The weapons of choice against fascism are ridicule ,derision ,truth. (member NRA)
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To: Candor7

Heh. Thanks for the chuckle.


39 posted on 08/20/2009 3:24:06 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: spyone
Robot 1: "I'll love you forever."

Robot 2: "I believe you."

40 posted on 08/20/2009 4:08:14 AM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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