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SWEET LEMONADE KID $LAPPED: BITTER AGENTS WRITE $50 TICKET
NYPost ^ | August 16, 2009

Posted on 08/16/2009 12:20:21 PM PDT by Steelfish

SWEET LEMONADE KID $LAPPED BITTER AGENTS WRITE $50 TICKET

FRANK ROSARIO and TIM PERONE

JUST FINE! Clementine Lee holds the ticket that agents handed her and her dad. Parks boss Adrian Benepe voided it. [Pic in URL]

August 16, 2009

Three sourpuss Parks Department agents put the squeeze on a 10-year-old girl in Riverside Park yesterday, slapping the tyke with a $50 ticket for hawking lemonade without a permit.

Clementine Lee, who lives just blocks from the Upper West Side park, had dreamed of opening a lemonade stand since last year and took advantage of yesterday's beautiful weather to set up shop.

"It was such a hot day I figured people would want a cold drink," the aspiring juvenile juice mogul told The Post.

Business was booming for Clementine and her photographer dad, Richard, 49, for the first 20 minutes at the stand on West 73rd Street and Riverside Drive

(Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...


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To: DCPatriot

Was that in Rock Hall or DC? Or in one of the towns on the way? We biked with friends to RH on July 4th, with a bunch of stops on the way, and didn’t see that.


21 posted on 08/16/2009 2:48:56 PM PDT by ktscarlett66 (Face it girls....I'm older and I have more insurance....)
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To: ktscarlett66

Rockville, Maryland. Starts down at Old Georgetown Rd and Rockville Pike and up to Shady Grove Road north. It’s ridiculous.

They’re setting up shop at the exit on I-370/Shady Grove Rd.

And it’s a looooong signal.

Their desperate faces...... There, but for the Grace of God.


22 posted on 08/16/2009 3:14:26 PM PDT by DCPatriot ("It aint what you don't know that kills you. It's what you know that aint so" Theodore Sturgeon))
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To: NonValueAdded

Yep, but the government instead of hiring one man, will hire 3 to do the work of one...their wallet is never empty as long as there is one taxpayer alive..


23 posted on 08/16/2009 3:33:17 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Steelfish
Oh boy, I don't know about that. She could easily sell hundreds in a couple of hours in Central Park if she set up in the right spot on a prime cross-park route.

Secondly, you're asking a lowly field enforcer (in NYC this often means a political patronage gig) to make perfect on-the-spot common-sense judgements based on nothing but instinct, which is just asking for FUBAR trouble, IMO.

Thirdly, anyone who assumes terrorists couldn't possibly cultivate romantic relationships with blonde-haired blue-eyed women with cute ten year old kids from previous relationships is being a bit naive, to say the least. Just ask Israeli Airport Security - they NEVER make assumptions of innocence based on age, ethnicity or appearance when ferretting out bomb carriers. I found that out firsthand, in fact. As a younger single european-american woman travelling to Israel about 8-9 years ago, I got stopped, searched & interrogated extensively both coming and going - not because they necessarily thought that I was a terrorist myself but because there was a chance I may have been targeted for 'romance' by an undercover terrorist back in Europe (from where I was travelling to the ME) and used as a mule to carry death & destruction for him unwittingly. Those guys never make assumptions of innocence about anybody for a good reason - they simply can't afford to.

24 posted on 08/16/2009 3:34:08 PM PDT by leilani
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To: leilani
Steelfish (cont'd): I think the solution would be to demand that all field enforcers enforce the laws equitably across the board (shutting down & ticketing all violaters) and not giving them any opportunity to show favoritism whenever they feel like it(big problem in New York) or make possibly disastrous misjudgements which could get people hurt.

Now if the girl & her Dad want to contest the ticket in front of a judge, and he wants to show mercy & dismiss the fine under the circumstances, that would be fine & dandy with me. That's how it's supposed to work - a judge weighs extenuating circumstances and judges. Then the kid gets off scot free & hopefully learns the very valuable lesson in the process (too bad her 49 yo father didn't before this) that no one should expect to be exempted from laws put in place to protect the public.

I dunno, I'm just very leery of giving NYC code enforcers themselves the freedom to turn a blind eye at their own discretion.

25 posted on 08/16/2009 4:14:05 PM PDT by leilani
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To: leilani

and yet children have been doing this for decades...even after 911, and there hasn’t been a single episode of lemonade stand poisoning.. boy are you paranoid...


26 posted on 08/16/2009 7:03:14 PM PDT by Awestruck (Now if we can only get the rest of the "republican" leaders to stand up to the liberals.)
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To: Awestruck
For decades in central park? Really? Not when I lived in NYC.

I had a lemonade stand on the golf course in our suburban back yard elsewhere as a kid - made a little money too, and I hope that whatever kid is now living in that house is doing it too. But the potential for anybody getting poisoned by a terrorist or just a bad batch of juice is ridiculously miniscule there, - it's a totally different ball game with the kid who's set their stand up up in Central Park selling to forty customers an hour.

For the sake of argument, let's set the precedent & have wall to wall unpermitted food & drink stands in Central Park then, with no health controls at all (& because the law has to be enforced equally, that's exactly what you'll get if you do set that precedent for one person).

The logical consequences of what you're suggesting are pretty damn scary there, not to mention a pain in the neck for pedestrians in the park who like to see their public parks remain parks & not everybody else's kids' front yard lemonade stand. A dense urban situation, not to mention a public park, poses many more complications & consequences than your average lemonade stand on a suburban street or backyard golf course does.

27 posted on 08/16/2009 7:33:08 PM PDT by leilani
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To: leilani

That’s a standard liberal chant... we should ban everything IN CASE someone gets hurt.. so despite the fact that no one has EVER been poisoned by a lemonade stand or cookies sold by a child....or even poisononed by terrorists... lets ban kids from selling lemonade in central park..yes..that makes perfect sense.


28 posted on 08/18/2009 9:05:35 PM PDT by Awestruck (Now if we can only get the rest of the "republican" leaders to stand up to the liberals.)
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To: Steelfish

yeah, and soon, the IRS is lined up right behind them with their filthy hands out.


29 posted on 08/18/2009 9:11:25 PM PDT by Beloved Levinite (I have a new name for the occupier of The Oval Office: KING FRAUD! (pronounced King "Faa-raud"))
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To: Awestruck
So you're saying that 500 kids should be able to set up their stands in Central Park - conduct their business (and no doubt actually their parents' businesses too if this becomes acceptable - on public property - and turn a public park it into a giant open-air food court instead of a park with absolutely no oversight by health officials or park rangers.

I dunno, awestruck. That sounds more like a standard liberal chant to me!

Hey, why stop at Central Park? Yellowstone Park has lotsa spare room. Wall-to-wall lemonade stands & taco stands at municipal zoos sounds like a great idea too! Or how about everybody in your town comes to set up food & drink stands in your front yard, since the 'right' to poach on everybody else's property & the 'right' to deprive others of the use of their land for their own legally protected purposes is now up for grabs under the logic you're employing here.

30 posted on 08/19/2009 6:15:38 AM PDT by leilani
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To: leilani

omg...who said anything about 500 kids? why are you getting so extreme? this is ONE child.... ONE... just like lots of other kids throughout the decades who have set up lemonade stands...so what if its in central park or peoria? sheesh.. whats it like to be that paranoid all the time? Yes, one little child and her lemonade stand is going to turn central park into a giant open air food court... you win the olympic conclusion jump leap for sure.


31 posted on 08/19/2009 7:52:44 AM PDT by Awestruck (Now if we can only get the rest of the "republican" leaders to stand up to the liberals.)
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To: Awestruck
Nope, I'm just following your reasoning to it's logical conclusion, as is customary in rational argumentation.

You say that one child should be given permission to break public laws on public property. If this child is shown favoritism under the law, you think that all other kids (not to mention all the adults who will be thrilled to establish commercial enterprises rent-free on public lands in their kids' names) should be denied the same right to evade those laws which this kid & her Dad are now demanding to break? Laws which were instituted by the public to protect their publicly owned park land from commercial enterprise?

Again, she's free to open up a lemonade stand on private property with the owners' permission, but if you allow her to skirt the law on what she does on public parkland, you're opening the door for every other citizen to do the same.

That is, unless you believe only certain people of your choosing should be allowed to enjoy special dispensation under the law and should be arbitrarily accorded the 'right' to disrupt other citizens' legal rights to enjoy their public lands under the public laws instituted to restrict their public use to the public's - & not to arbitrarily favored individuals' - benefit.

32 posted on 08/19/2009 8:18:38 AM PDT by leilani
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To: leilani

Logical? there is NOTHING logical about your conclusions...just massive jumps... how about the fact that such laws probably shouldn’t apply to children since they never have in the past and there have been NO problems resulting from this... how about the conclusion that if everyone followed every assinine law to the letter, we’d all be in jail for something... there is something definitely wrong in this society when a time honored tradition of kids having lemonade stands is taken to task by overzealous law abiding nazis like you. Kids used to have paper routes or mow lawns to make money, now in many places including where I live, they are not allowed to because of one stupid “law” or another.. we should be glad kids are still enterprising enough to want to make money. Its people like you who are killing that spirit and making kids hate authority. Maybe the problem isn’t kids breaking the laws, maybe the problem is the laws shouldn’t exist in the first place.


33 posted on 08/19/2009 9:09:07 AM PDT by Awestruck (Now if we can only get the rest of the "republican" leaders to stand up to the liberals.)
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To: Awestruck
Hmmm. I still can't seem to be able to help you make the distinction between PUBLIC property law & private property law in this discussion, which is rather unusual on a putatively conservative forum,lol.

Kids can still have lemonade stands & paper routes (talk about paranoid Olympian leaps of logic!) and pursue private enterprise on private property. They just can't demand to do it on public property and expect that the public shouldn't exert public oversight on their public lands protected by public laws passed by the voting public.

34 posted on 08/19/2009 9:16:09 AM PDT by leilani
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To: leilani

it’s a KID...with a LEMONADE stand.... public or private property should make no difference...she’s not a terrorist...allowing her to have her little stand isn’t going to suddenly invite terrorists to poison your tea...geez...how do you eat out in public? Do you think the health department is that efficient..lets see... people get food poisoning in restaurants every single day...and yet they are controlled by the same laws you want to impose on this child. And dont’ get me started on salad bars and buffets.... how many times did you wash your hands today?


35 posted on 08/19/2009 10:55:52 AM PDT by Awestruck (Now if we can only get the rest of the "republican" leaders to stand up to the liberals.)
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To: Awestruck
There aren't laws to tell me how many times to wash my hands in private.

However, there are laws establishing resstrictions how others can use public lands in accordance with the wishes of the public enacted through their duly elected representatives. Your child does not have the right to turn land paid for by others into her own rent-free commercial enterprise and not expect the public's representatives who are responsible for enforcing the laws, protecting publicly owned property on behalf of the public's welfare and who have seen fit to restrict its use to specially designated purposes, not to exercise their right to provide oversight.

Again,do whatever you want on YOUR own private property, but respect how the people of this community have decided to manage their community-owned property, and don't expect any special treatment for yourself under the law nor demand to engage in what you believe to be your unenumerated right to indulge in activities which are precluded by law for others & nobody will care what you do elsewhere.

36 posted on 08/19/2009 11:15:56 AM PDT by leilani
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To: leilani

at this very moment, in your day to day life, you break several laws...but i’m sure if someone like you, followed the book, and threw you in jail, you’d certainly raise a fuss about it. You are so far off the mark here it isnt’ funny. The kid wasn’t hurting anyone...leave her alone and get your knickers out of the knot... and drink a glass of wine and relax before you have a heart attack.


37 posted on 08/19/2009 1:00:59 PM PDT by Awestruck (Now if we can only get the rest of the "republican" leaders to stand up to the liberals.)
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To: Awestruck
LOL, awestruck, OK, I'll leave it to others reading this thread to decide which one of us is actually wound too tight. I'm just engaging in debate here - which is what some do here at FR if you haven't noticed, but I see we're speaking on two different levels & never the twain shall meet.

It's been fun sparring with you, nonetheless. There's way too much me-tooism & preaching to the choir around here & it's not often that people take the trouble to challenge others' opinions & genuinely try to persuade them to their point of view, and so for that I thank you.

Cheers!

38 posted on 08/19/2009 1:24:22 PM PDT by leilani
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