Posted on 08/06/2009 2:50:46 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
Berg is ignorant of American law if he believes that Obama lost his citizenship when he was adopted.
F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN
Parents cannot renounce U.S. citizenship on behalf of their minor children. Before an oath of renunciation will be administered under Section 349(a)(5) of the INA, a person under the age of eighteen must convince a U.S. diplomatic or consular officer that he/she fully understands the nature and consequences of the oath of renunciation, is not subject to duress or undue influence, and is voluntarily seeking to renounce his/her U.S. citizenship.
Bump to your excellent list.
The courts have already spoken on this issue. The aquisition of foreign citizenship by an American, even if that oath of citizenship includes a renounciation of citizenship, does not by itself strip an American of his citizenship.
See Action SA V. Marc Rich (Yes, Bill Clinton’s Marc Rich) for the latest case law on the subject:
http://openjurist.org/951/f2d/504/action-sa-v-marc-rich-and-co-inc
Nobody in the world could take Obama’s US citizenship from him before he turned 18. And after he turned 18, he himself could only get rid of it with great difficulty and clear and explicit intent.
Cause there ain’t one there ?...
BUMP
Did Obama attend Occidental College as a foreign student? Did Obama travel to Pakistan in 1981 with a foreign passport?
Documents Obama will not release-
1. Certified copy of original birth certificate
2. Columbia University transcripts
3. Columbia thesis paper
4. Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5. Harvard University transcripts
6. Illinois State Senate records
7. Illinois State Senate schedule
8. Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9. Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mothers
10. Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11. Occidental College Transcripts
12. Parent’s marriage Certificate
13. Record of baptism
14. Selective Service registration records
15. Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16. Scholarly articles
17. Access to his grandmother (Obama’s grandmother has since passed away from cancer)
18. List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
19. Punahou grade school records
When will we see Obama’s original long form birth certificate?
how does one become president with no bc?
That’s the million dollar question! I don’t believe it can be done with honesty.
You wrote-
“how does one become president with no bc?”
“Several courts have sided with the Hawaii Health Department’s position that birth records must be protected as private.”
Yet another one Newsmax got wrong. The Courts dismissed suits on standing, and the Courts are NOT standing on the side of Hawaii’s laws.
“If I am wrong here, provide the evidence- Obama attended Occidental College as a foreign student by the name of Barry Soetoro.”
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Isn’t it your responsibility to provide evidence for your claim?
“I talked to a colleague who worked as an editor for a couple of HI’s major newspapers about this. The reply was that anyone can submit a birth announcement. Nobody checks up on them. No different than submitting an engagement announcement, etc. The paper takes the info submitted & prints it.”
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The Hawaii newspaper “announcements” are not paid vanity announcements. They are listings from the Hawaii Dept. of Health Statistics. Unless you provide some evidence that anyone could pay to have their name added, you’re pretty much S.O.L.
...just askin....
If it WAS meant for the "Knock-Knock Obama BC Joke" 'toon I posted in post #2, and your REPLY to it consisted of the following:
“Several courts have sided with the Hawaii Health Department’s position that birth records must be protected as private.”
"Yet another one Newsmax got wrong. The Courts dismissed suits on standing, and the Courts are NOT standing on the side of Hawaii’s laws."
...then you might need to further explain your reply to me so I can at least TRY to understand it's "meaning".
Thanks!
How is this for evidence? Documents NOT released by Obama-
1. Certified copy of original birth certificate
2. Columbia University transcripts
3. Columbia thesis paper
4. Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups
5. Harvard University transcripts
6. Illinois State Senate records
7. Illinois State Senate schedule
8. Law practice client list and billing records/summary
9. Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mothers
10. Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)
11. Occidental College Transcripts
12. Parent’s marriage Certificate
13. Record of baptism
14. Selective Service registration records
15. Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007
16. Scholarly articles
17. Access to his grandmother (Obama’s grandmother has since passed away from cancer)
18. List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists
19. Punahou grade school records
Nobody pays to have announcments placed in papers. Sometimes the paper will collect data from vital stats, but anyone can send in a birth announcement & they are not vetted. This from a longtime editor at major HI paper.
The practice is the same for most local papers. You send in a birth, engagement announcement, whatever. Nobody investigates.
I was reacting directly to the story in NewsMax when they said, “Several courts have sided with the Hawaii Health Department’s position that birth records must be protected as private.”
And I replied that the courts’ decisions’ had nothing to do with Hawaii’s Vital Records laws.”
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