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To: savagesusie
I think it applies to all the gay activists.... the ones who are trying to force their values and thinking on religious communities and forcing the redefinition of the family -which goes against Nature’s Law, and therefore the Constitution. Their paradigm is trying to make mothers and fathers irrelevant—to deny nature— which is a tremendous evil to all children and all societies.

Again - I respectfully disagree. I believe it is a mistake to judge an entire group by their worst members. For example... Many that are campaigning do not equate expanding marriage to include homosexuals as redefinition. And even if some of them did they wouldn't agree that that was a bad thing. *shrug* Hatred and mockery? Or sincere disagreement, confusion, etc.

Heck - I'm probably standing with you on this matter but I wouldn't agree that marriage is a reflection of natural law. If I say that marriage is a sacrament instituted by Christ that pretty much means that marriage was redefined in a drastic way from what it was before Christ in order to elevate it to the level of sacrament... Sincere disagreement that leads to the same end is no more sincere than sincere disagreement that leads to a different end.

You cannot compel the conscience.

I do not believe that there will be any measurable or true progress unless and until both sides can learn to take adequate measure of the other and learn that the threats we face are not exactly as we suppose.
21 posted on 08/03/2009 9:59:12 AM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: TomOnTheRun
You are trying to make a biological fact into something arbitrary. To exclude sexual behavior from Natural Law can not be done. That is stating that man is not part of Nature. Our government was founded on Natural Law. As Cicero stated and our Founders concurred, justice can NEVER be decided by man's opinion, but only upon Nature.

The Founders studied other cultures extensively and found great fault with hedonism in the Roman and Greek empires among other cultures that glorified homosexual behavior. The rampant homosexuality and other sexual perversions led to an unjust civilization and to the debasement of women and children, who were also used and abused sexually and treated as slaves.

Studies in primates, etc., have shown that when you interfere in the natural process of animals raising their young, the young become pathological in many areas and are sexually abnormal.

Homosexuality is not genetic....it is a behavior that is caused by environment--mostly emotional and physical abuse--so by that logic, the behavior should never be elevated or glorified in any way. If it is, you are advocating child abuse. Sexual morality in religion and marriage were instituted to protect the man/woman relationship and to promote the healthiest environment to raise emotionally healthy children for the most successful future of a civil society. Their idea worked to the greatest degree ever for the most diverse population in the history of the world.

Why would anyone want to go backwards and copy the Spartans or the Nazi Brownshirts or the imperialist Japanese, in elevating behaviors that destroy the family of man in every civilization that nihilistic behavior was embraced.

22 posted on 08/03/2009 3:46:53 PM PDT by savagesusie
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