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Windows 7 will give 'heck of a Christmas' — Microsoft CEO says new PC designs cooler than Apple
Tech Radar ^ | 07/30/2009 | By Mark Harris in Seattle

Posted on 07/30/2009 11:59:33 PM PDT by Swordmaker

Ballmer expects Windows 7 to grab share from Apple In a bullish presentation to financial analysts today, Steve Ballmer promised Windows 7 PCs that would 'overturn the conventional wisdom that Apple has the coolest hardware'.

He also described Apple's impact on Microsoft sales this year as 'a rounding error', saying that; "Apple's share globally costs us nothing."

"Hopefully we will take share back from Apple," said Ballmer, "But they sell only about 10 million computers globally so it's a limited opportunity."

Taking a bite out of Apple

Ballmer said that research data showed that Microsoft adverts targetting Apple's prices were working, claiming that three times as many 18-24 year olds now think that Microsoft represents better value than Apple - a reverse of the situation before the commercials ran.

"We don't believe in coming to market like Apple - high margin, high quality, high price. We believe in high volume and low price," Ballmer told the Microsoft Financial Analyst Meeting. "Investors are pushing us to spend more money on this marketing."

Ballmer also released the latest data on Windows 7: 8 million copies of the release candidate have been downloaded; half of IT managers plan to upgrade to Windows 7 'as soon as it's available'; and 80 per cent intend to move within 30 months.

The Microsoft boss revealed a change in pricing strategy for Windows 7 in developing countries: "We did a programme to cut the price of Windows in emerging markets. The theory was that lower prices would lead to higher attach rates and higher revenues. That theory was wrong, so for Windows 7 we'll readjust those prices north."

He also had a few words to say about open source rivals, noting that: "It's hard to build ecosystem momentum with a chaotic operating system like Linux," and gloating over expected delays to Android-based netbooks.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Computers/Internet
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To: Gator113

Me too .The new i Mac is an amazing machine with an amazting OS. Ill never go back to a PC


41 posted on 07/31/2009 6:13:33 AM PDT by sonic109
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To: WVKayaker

Agreed. And don’t forget all the time saved by not having to perform the myriad of maintenances Windows requires and the constant costs and upgrading of antivirus software.


42 posted on 07/31/2009 6:16:22 AM PDT by Bookwoman ("...and I am unanimous in this..")
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To: microgood
“Apple is going to be savaged in the next 12 months when it comes to market share.”

I disagree. I predict that both Apple and Microsoft will sell more product next year. It's kind of difficult to compare because Apple is a hardware company and Microsoft isn't.

Apple will continue with their market niche. There is plenty of room for high-end (Apple), mid-range (MS), and bargain basement (Linux, etc.) software and hardware.

Kia is doing well, as is Ferrari.

43 posted on 07/31/2009 6:17:05 AM PDT by Poser (Typed on my Woot-off $169 Asus Web Book (Linux of course))
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To: SlowBoat407

Yes- go for the Mac Mini. I love mine!


44 posted on 07/31/2009 6:19:45 AM PDT by Bookwoman ("...and I am unanimous in this..")
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To: Fawn
Fawn, thanks for info - this is an OLD laptop.

My main desktop PC (for home business) is also running XP3 with Dual-Core & 4MB memory. I'm sure W7 would work just fine on the desktop but lots of XP software including Office 2003 and my web software Frontpage 2003 that also uses a template.

45 posted on 07/31/2009 6:25:23 AM PDT by newfreep ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: Swordmaker
claiming that three times as many 18-24 year olds now think that Microsoft represents better value than Apple

From the demographic that gave us Obonga.................

46 posted on 07/31/2009 6:36:24 AM PDT by cowboyway ("The beauty of the Second Amendment is you won't need it until they try to take it away"--Jefferson)
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To: SlowBoat407; Big Giant Head
I am not a fan of the Mini. For not that much more, you can buy a MacBook. It gives the ability to connect to a monitor, and go with you to Aruba. It's built-in wireless gives the ability to sit in MickeyD's or an air terminal watching TV shows and posting on FR.

MacMall sends me constant emails. I send them money!

MacBooks are $924,99 today!

47 posted on 07/31/2009 7:12:59 AM PDT by WVKayaker (God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it.-D.Webster)
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To: Swordmaker
"Steve Ballmer promised Windows 7 PCs that would 'overturn the conventional wisdom that Apple has the coolest hardware'."

Microsoft makes only software -- but promises cooler hardware...

The above is like an engine maker saying,

"We're coming out with an improved engine that will fit right into existing cars. In the future, cars that are made using it will be cooler than competitors' cars."

Something is delusional about that statement: Microsoft does not control the design of computer hardware that uses its OS offerings. Apple, OTOH, does.

Ballmer is just as believable a huckster as Øbama...

48 posted on 07/31/2009 7:15:51 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: cowboyway

Most 18-24 year olds are still waiting tables during the summer and should be in school. Of course it’s a better “value” to them. That doesn’t mean they are going to by a PC laptop if given the choice. ;)


49 posted on 07/31/2009 7:15:55 AM PDT by Wright Wing
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To: Swordmaker
Microsoft CEO says new PC designs cooler than Apple

I'd like to see it (no sarcasm). I've seen it tried but never successfully. They rip-off Apple's designs with inferior results, and attempts at original designs usually turn out horribly wrong. They have a few things standing in their way

It's not necessarily that PC designers suck, but that the corporate culture and priorities of PC OEMs don't lend themselves to innovative design. The one half-way exception is Sony.

"Apple's share globally costs us nothing."

Millions of units sold a $100+ per unit isn't pocket change unless you're the government. Plus the iPhone has put Windows Mobile on the back burner playing catch-up. The iPhone's web market is 66% and rising while Windows Mobile is below 7% and dropping.

50 posted on 07/31/2009 7:20:46 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Jet Jaguar
and 80 per cent intend to move within 30 months

Wow - is 30 months now considered the public release beta period for new releases of Windows? That is pretty sad.

51 posted on 07/31/2009 7:25:05 AM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country...)
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To: SmokingJoe
Shoulda said, “high volume, high quality and low prices for Windows PC’s..”

But then he'd be lying.

Adjust the prices even lower south for a lower powered version of Win 7 for the much poorer developing countries

Yes, sometimes they forget the fact that they're competing with free on the low end. Add to that the fact that many developing countries don't give a crap about copyright, so most of the copies of Windows will be unlicensed anyway. They need to give a better value for the money, added value above the competition for that market.

52 posted on 07/31/2009 7:26:16 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Habibi
is slightly more polished than XP, but it is not that much better.

The biggest improvements are under the hood, which is what Windows needed most.

53 posted on 07/31/2009 7:30:03 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: dennisw
Windows 7 looks great and works great and should put Apple on the defensive

Rewind a few years and you could substitute "Windows Vista" for "Windows 7". The exact same comments were being made then as now.

While I am a Mac and fan, I don't wish bad on Windows users and upgraders. In my work environment, we have had umpteen issues with the Windows machines - and none with my mac on the job. But the real issue - when one of the Windows machines goes wonky - it causes troubles for all.

54 posted on 07/31/2009 7:33:00 AM PDT by TheBattman (Pray for our country...)
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To: Swordmaker
"We don't believe in coming to market like Apple - high margin, high quality, high price. We believe in high volume and low price," Ballmer told the Microsoft Financial Analyst Meeting. "Investors are pushing us to spend more money on this marketing."

emphasis added.

It's telling that Balmer uses the term "High Quality" when referring to Apple, but makes no mention of quality on his own product. And then tells us that his investors want more money put into "marketing" rather than engineering and quality of their product.

I've been trying out W7-RC in a VM on my machine, and I will say it's a damn sight better than that vista crap. But then again, they only had one direction they could go from there.

55 posted on 07/31/2009 7:42:15 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: Mr. Blonde
I think the better question is why are they doing it now?”

Same reason it was very foolish of President Bush to sit quietly and not hit back as the MSM and the Dims continued to try and define him as pure eviland de-legitimize his presidency by constant attacks on him till his poll numbers went down the carper for good.
Already, more 18-24 year olds now think that Windows PC's represents better value than the mac, which is the direct reverse of the situation before the ads ran.

The ads make no sense.”

They make plenty of sense to me.

They are helping to give mindshare to what to MS is essentially an insignificant competitor”

That "insignificant competitor" already has more mind share than nearly any other company on the planet. Just look at the amount of publicity they get at tech sites and in the news, which is out of all proportion to their market share on the world's desktops. Plus this competitor was busy doing everything in their power to de-legitimize and permanently damage Windows in the minds of the public. It was aboslutely essential to hit back and hit back hard. Microsoft has been very foolish in letting this nonsense go on for so long without hitting back at Apple. That's why at the investor’;s conference yesterday, most of the analysts and investors demanded that Microsoft continue with this anti-Apple ads. It's a no brainer in my book.

Very few other companies are as dominant in a market as MS is, but how many other dominant players do you see mentioning the competition who has next to no market share”

Very few companies with such small market share as Apple, have the massive mind share that Apple has.
Different situation, different approach.

56 posted on 07/31/2009 8:08:09 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: Swordmaker

I’ve been using Windows 7 on three machines. Bottom line: It’s Windows, but with enough cosmetic changes to stymie a good portion of its users. (For example, try to find “Add or Remove Programs” in the Control Panel.) It still needs to be frequently rebooted. It still fragments its disk. It is, however, less annoying than Vista, and less of a resource hog. And it is more secure and less prone to contagion than XP, which really needs to go away. I hope a lot of people switch. But it’s not a Mac, not by a long shot. No Spaces capability, no Time Machine, no bulletproof file system, no well-thought-out and highly consistent user interface. An improvement, but Ballmer is doing what he does best: blowing smoke and bombast.


57 posted on 07/31/2009 8:08:26 AM PDT by RightOnTheLeftCoast (I love my country, but I fear it, for it does not love me.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
They rip-off Apple's designs with inferior results, and attempts at original designs usually turn out horribly wrong. “

Exactly what Apple designs are these that Apple actually invented that Microsoft has “ripped off”?
It's been argued on some internet sites a few years back, that Vista had some features that appeared first in Vista before they appeared in OS X.

Millions of units sold a $100+ per unit isn't pocket change unless you're the government. “

At an approximate $50 per copy for OEM’s, and just over 10 million units of macs sold per year, that would make not that much more than $500 Million per year for Microsoft, which is not that much as compared to Microsoft's $60 billion in revenue last year. To put it in perspective, it would only increase quarterly revenues by about $150 million. That is not exactlty going to turn the world upside down is it?

58 posted on 07/31/2009 8:17:40 AM PDT by SmokingJoe
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To: sonic109

“The new i Mac is an amazing machine with an amazting OS. Ill never go back to a PC”

Funny. I have one and I haven’t even turned it on in four months. My XP and Linux machines get used every day.


59 posted on 07/31/2009 8:18:03 AM PDT by Poser (Typed on my Woot-off $169 Asus Web Book (Linux of course))
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To: SmokingJoe
Plus this competitor was busy doing everything in their power to de-legitimize and permanently damage Windows in the minds of the public.

Didn't MS do this by themselves with Vista? (Zing!) I'm not saying they shouldn't run ads promoting their product. But that isn't what they are doing. They are running ads promoting a product they don't sell. I realize it is a weird time for them with a pretty well hated version of Windows on the way out and what is supposed to be a much better version soon to hit. But still, what have we learned about Windows from the ads? It comes with computers that in a lot of cases cost less than a Mac? I realize price can be a major determining factor, but that doesn't really say anything about the quality of their product. It isn't even something they have any control over (at least to my knowledge).

If Dell or HP or Acer or any hardware makers were running these ads it would make sense.

Or if MS was running ads to compare Win 7 to OS X, that would make sense coming from MS. I just don't get advertising a product you don't make.

I guess if they are working good for them, but they say nothing about why Windows is better than OS X, which seems like what they would be aiming to do. The Mac owner in me wants to say because they don't have a lot of reasons to throw out to the average user these days, but I will refrain. ;)
60 posted on 07/31/2009 8:22:41 AM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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