IN SEARCH OF "ONE" FOREIGN BORN AMERICAN WITH COLB F/HI !

Great idea!!!! I’m all for it.... keep on keepin’ on.... the imposter in the wh is killing us.... (well, actually, the obama death count is only 3), but the rest of us are suffering....

John Gibson had his radio show dedicated to letting people try to convince him that he should be a birther, and I have to tell you, I was not convinced myself. Very flimsy stuff. A lot of the stuff people offered was just flat out wrong information.

You asked — And what would it take for Dobbs to inquire to CNN that if Hawaiian paper records were discarded in 2001, what would the state use as evidence to issue a COLB in 2007 ???

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They print a certified copy (i.e, putting the stamp and raised seal on it) from the image file of the original...

Ping.

Obam’s sister was born in Indonesia but (reportedly) had a Hawaii COLB.

A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here. (Please save & cache the recording)

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
Don't click through the link to utube on WND but rather listen to the recording on site. The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts. (be sure to save & cache this if you know how--because obama's people are actively hunting this stuff down)

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador did not brush him off. Rather in answer to the question as to whether Obama was born in Kenya --he says "It is well known."

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.

Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. clear="all" /> Finally, there is a Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae which is part of the Berg case. The Bishop says pretty much the same thing as the Ambassador.

"Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States."

While you cannot impeach the ambassador's character, you can impeach McCrae's character. After all, he's just an itinerant preacher. But McCrae has been to Kenya. Still that makes two people who say that it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya.
Then of course there is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in Kenya
There is a case to be made that Obama mother didn't mean Obama was born in Kenya but rather that he is a "son of this village". However, witnesses insist that she said she was present at obama's birth in Kenya. If taken alone, perhaps she could well be ignored. However, her take is in keeping with others both high and low.

Again here is a pdf transcript of Kenyan National Assembly on Nov 5, 2008, the day after Obama was elected. Over and over again there are references to Obama being a "son of the soil" of Kenya and a Kenyan. On page page 3275 there is this passage:

HOUSE SHOULD ADJOURN TO DISCUSS ELECTION OF MR. BARRACK OBAMA

Ms. Odhiambo: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is not on this issue. I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.20 to seek leave for adjournment of the House to discuss the American presidential election results.

(Applause)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.

Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

In July 2009 a Ghanian newspapersays of Obama that ""For Ghana, Obama's visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever African-American president on this presidential visit to the continent of his birth," The American Thinker explains here why Obama's short form released by fightthesmears is not sufficient for Hawaii. There is evidence to suggest that the home named in the newspaper archived article as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by a couple not Obama's parents. Even the Honalulu Advertiser has a different address of record for Obama's father than the one listed newspaper birth listing. The hospital where Obama claims he was born--refuses to either confirm or deny that he was in fact born there--and that despite the fact that Obama has said he was born there in writing--and presented the hospital a memo to that effect...right after he was elected. What's more newspaper accounts of his birth place him in other hospitals around Hawaii. None of these will comment either.

Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

The Obama administration could put this to rest by releasing his long form birth certificate. But he doesn't. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers over 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. Why bother. The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that. Here's a footnoted timeline of obama's life 1961-2008. Its especially helpful to look at 1961 and 2008. Of interest is this: Interesting timeline with footnotes of obama's life.

of note

On April 10, 2008 Senator Claire McCaskill (D-MO) introduces Senate Resolution S. Res. 511 to “recognize that John Sidney McCain is a natural born citizen.” The resolution is allegedly meant to clarify that McCain is eligible to be President even though he was born in Panama. Because McCain’s parents were both Americans and he was born in Panama because his father was stationed there while in the military, existing law already covers McCain and he is eligible to be President. McCaskill’s resolution thus serves no purpose – except that language is included to try and provide a “blanket cover” for other foreign born candidates without military backgrounds, in order to enable Obama to be eligible to be President. This is the language that Obama inserted “Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;” This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain [The language is inserted by Obama.][301,303]

301# http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/#more-3844

303 # http://watchdog.net/b/us/110/sr511

Obama's Senate efforts to airbrush his past were augmented by his top Intelligence Advisor in March 2008. Obama's Intelligence Adviser Involved in Security Breach. Obama’s top terrorism and intelligence adviser, John O. Brennan, heads a firm that was cited in March [2008] for breaching sensitive files in the State Department’s passport office, according to a State Department Inspector General’s report released this past July. The security breach, first reported by the Washington Times and later confirmed by State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, involved a contract employee of Brennan’s firm, The Analysis Corp., which has earned millions of dollars providing intelligence-related consulting services to federal agencies and private companies. During a State Department briefing on March 21, 2008, McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain, and that the inspector general had launched an investigation. Sources who tracked the investigation tell Newsmax that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to “cauterize” the records of potentially embarrassing information. In this video of Obama's reaction to the break in...he says twice that his reason for being concerned about the matter is not that he is concerned about what the records may reveal about himself...but rather etc. One denial is ok. Two denials in short order is of a piece with the other anomolies in his record. Especially since it seems Obama's people instigated the break in.

Thats a good idea. If you could find an individual like that to help make the case clear. Personally, I have been on again, off again, on this thing but the fact this issue has not been put to rest at this late date just seems to make the point... Obama cannot put this fire out because he doesn't actually have a Birth Certificate.

I don't think this is arrogance, as I figured before... he just doesn't have one!

They are trying to put the fire out by pidgeon-holing the protesters as extremist kooks, but the military lawsuit that has been filed can't fall in that category, and that is one lawsuit the SCOTUS will likely find hard to ignore.

This might be the time to crank up the pressure with some protests in DC?

Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"

Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.

Obama's own flacks deny that obama was born in Kenya but do acknowledge that he had a dual citizenship up until 1982

from obama's own site factcheck.org(this is cached as the original was taken down) by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”(Someone will want to cache the above web page because it will be taken down eventually. Ah here is the cached version.) Here is a better cached versionHere's a third Kindly cache these too.

Here is the problem with fighthesmears narrative: We already have recorded that Obama's wife michellle said Obama's mother was "very young and very single" when obama was born. British law at the time of obama's birth only gave citizenship from the father to the son in the case that the father is married to the mother:ie the son is legitimate. See wikipedia 2.4.3Since obama's parents were NOT married -- how did obama get his British/Kenyancitizenship? Its not unreasonable to think that he got his British/Kenyan because he was born there--and not because of his parentage. As to the famous newsclipping in Hawaii that states that bama was born there in 1961--there is evidence to suggest that the house named as the place where Obama was born -- was lived in by someone else besides his parents. Once again, Just one piece of evidence could easily be dismissed. It is the accumulation of evidence that is troubling.
It is well established that Obama did travel to Indonesia and Pakistan in 1981. In a tape of his speech at this April 6, 2008 San Francisco Fundraiser, Obama discloses his trip to Pakistan (40:17) when he was in college. On what passport did he travel?

A last arguement for baraks people might be that of course the Kenyans would have an interest in claiming that obama was a "son of the soil" both as a matter of pride and as a matter of bucks coming their way. However, if Obama was not born in Kenya -- then why wouldn't Obama release his original long form birth certificate. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. On top of that according to the LA Times since the election -- the Kenyans feel that Obama has gone out of his way to snub/ignore/distance-himself them. The Kenyans are putting up reasons like perhaps they are insufficiently perfected for him to notice them--but here in the USA we have seen Obama throw a number of embarrasing people from his past under the bus. Obama is going to Africa. Will he visit Kenya? Nope. Exactly What IS a Natural Born Citizen?

The thing has become a joke in washington. Joe Biden Joked at the Gridiron Dinner in March 09.

After mentioning one of the Republican speakers for the evening, Arnold Schwarzenegger, was born in Austria and that one of the Democratic speakers, Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm, was born in Canada, Biden chortled: "Folks, this is going to be Lou Dobbs' worst nightmare. "

From there, Biden transitioned to the birth certificate controversy.

Les Kinsolving asked the Presidential Press Secretary Gibbs to release the long form birth certificate. The press secretary suggested mockingly that the copy of the short form birth certificate supplied online is Obama's long form birth certificate. Not so.(However, as of july 2009--eight months after the election-- Hawaii changed their rules so as to make the short form legal.There is even evidence to suggest the online "certification of live birth"--ie not a birth certificate--obama presented... was a forgery. See the press conference out take here.

The White House 'dialogue' site has to be scrubbed regularly because of long form birth certificate eligibility posts.

Rush Limbaugh joked several times on his radio show on 6/10/09: "What do God and Obama have in commen? (Answer) Neither have birth certificates."

Even the liberal LA Times on June 30, 2009 in an article dripping with contempt--conceded that the thing Obama's people posted online was "technically... not a birth certificate".

A bill in the US congress with 10 backers currently -- calls for future presidential candidates to be required to show a birth certificate. The library of congress has recently started including the Obama File in its historic collections of Internet materials related to the Presidential Transition during a Time of Crises. The Obama File holds that Obama's birth certificate as presented online is bogus.

Now this story is starting to change. Some liberals in an open acknowledgement of Obama's problems are starting to call for a change in the constitution.Liberal defenders of Obama in full retreat on Birth CertificateNow The LA Times Wants To Amend the Constitution Rather Than Have Obama Show His Birth Certificate. (Translation: Yeah he’s not a Natural Born Citizen — As the Constitution Requires.)

Not sure if it was my comment you saw but I try to post it on all these type threads:

Until a commercial is made of a dozen or so foreign born Americans holding up their “certificates of live birth” issued by the state of Hawaii, many people will just not understand what is being argued...

Were not trying to convince you!!! Your opinion means zilch to us.

Wow..can you be ANY MORE stereotypical?

I was born in the Dutch West Indies (now Aruba) of two American citizen (married) parents “living abroad”

In my case (per law in 1947) my “official certificate of birth” is a long form document as prepared by a local represaentative the US Dept of State

Thus for passport documention, etc to “prove” my American citizen status the offical record of my birth is permanently retained in Washing DC by the Dept of State and that is where I have to go to request / receive and offical copy of the original document

The problem with this is that, I assume that Hawaii did not
KNOWINGLY give out birth certifications to foreign born, but that someone could walk in and say, “I had a baby this week”,
even if it was on the street, and “I need a certification of it.”
What is the state to say?
Not all babies are born in a hospital, and if Obama was born in Hawaii, I do not think it was in a hospital, otherwise, I can think of no reason for his continuing to keep the certificate sealed.

Maya Soetoro, Obama’s half sister, was born in Jakarta, Indonesia.

She has lived in the USA since 1984, when she was age 14.

She has worked in the USA since the early 1990’s.

According to Wikipedia, she is a USA citizen.

She would have needed a Hawaii COLB for a number of things, like her first driver's license or a USA passport.

It would be very interesting to see what place of birth information is printed on her COLB.

Just a few days ago a spokesman for the state of Hawaii said that foreign born Hawaii residents have their foreign place of birth printed on their COLB’s.

However, none of the “journalists” on the conference call asked about Maya's COLB.

Sun Yat Sen

www.sunyatsenhawaii.org/images/doh/dh-1.jpg

It's real easy, you just need two witnesses to lie under oath.

To me its not so much as being a ‘birther’ (whatever that is), but more of a matter that President Obama works for the people, and it is not unreasonable for the people to ask for confirmation that he is legally qualified to be President. Add on top of that that ‘reasonable’ raised have been raised (e.g., his paternal grandmother claiming that he was born in Kenya; the Kenya ambassador claiming that Obama was born in Kenya ... sure, these folks could have ‘mis-spoke’ - but ‘reasonable’ doubts have been raised). And the fact that the President won't release his Birth Certificate, nor give the Hawaii hospital where he was born (which is also apparently a ‘mystery’) is insulting to his employers — we the people...The whole matter is weird, and reeks of someone trying to hide something. And the media complicity in not covering other documents of interest (e.g., Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard records) that would provide background to the fellow sitting in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue - just adds fuel to the fire.

Don't get me wrong - I'd much rather focus on the fact that this fellow, and the Dem led Congress are effectively a Marxist government sitting in power in Washington DC -- and their policies need to be exposed and opposed ... but at the same time its insulting that someone can sit in the President's office and not be held accountable to providing basic requirements of eligibility.

Well, of course there is the well known case of Sun Yat Sen, who of course, was not born in Hawaii, yet possessed a “Certificate of Hawaiian Birth”.

At link:

http://sunyatsenhawaii.org/images/na/na1.jpg

Much more here...

http://sunyatsenhawaii.org/images/doh/doh.html

Hildy,

Personally, I believe that Obama was born in Hawaii.

However, for several reasons it is still important to see Obama’s “Long Form” birth certificate, which he refuses to release.

The “Long Form” can be lawfully “altered.”

There is a box on the “Long Form” where “alterations” must be listed and certified.

The “Short Form,” which was released by Obama’s campaign, only reproduces the exact information on the “Long Form.”

The “Short Form” does not designate something that may have been altered.

For instance, Obama’s original “Long Form” may have listed no father, or a different father than the one that appears on his “Short Form.”

We can only know by looking at the “Long Form.”

Also, the “Long Form” states the precise location of birth and witnesses to the birth.

In 1961, it would have been completely legal for Obama’s mother to take baby Obama to the Registrar's Office and claim that he was born at home, on a certain date, and that no medical professionals were present.

The “Long Form” would show that, the “Short Form” would not.

The fact that Obama is willfully blocking release of his “Long Form” makes any informed person deeply suspicious.

There is also the issue of “Natural Born” to be cleared up.

The Constitution does not explicitly define “Natural Born.”

However, multiple Supreme Court cases and Acts of Congress imply that BOTH parents must be USA citizens for a child to be “Natural Born.”

In fact, for almost 200 years, every candidate for President has been the child of two USA citizens (some historians claim Chester Arthur was not).

The rationale is simple and persuasive...

The President of the United States must NEVER have divided loyalties.

Obviously, Obama’s father was not a USA citizen.

About half a dozen legal cases have been filed on this issue.

Most have been dismissed, but NOT because they lack merit.

Instead, various courts have found that the plaintiff lacked “standing” to sue, or the court lacked jurisdiction.

There is no question that some “Birther’s” can be very emotional or a bit kooky.

However, there are many others, like me, who just want to see Obama’s documentation, or who just want the “Natural Birth” issue settled once and for all.