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To: real_patriotic_american

I don’t buy this argument. He is his mother’s son. She is a US citizen.


4 posted on 07/23/2009 2:46:22 PM PDT by villagerjoel (1. Implement socialist policies 2. ??? 3. Heaven on earth)
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To: villagerjoel
I don’t buy this argument. He is his mother’s son. She is a US citizen.

This is why the birthers give conservatism a bad name....by clear omissions of facts that do not help their cause.

5 posted on 07/23/2009 2:49:46 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: villagerjoel
I don’t buy this argument. He is his mother’s son. She is a US citizen.

She was not old enough at the time of giving birth to convey NB status.

10 posted on 07/23/2009 2:52:29 PM PDT by This_far
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To: villagerjoel

I think the argument here technically was that his mother being a minor could not convey natural citizenship to her new born child, since the father was an alien.

It’s very clear that there is some controversy here, and worth being put to rest once and for all.

You would think OBAMA would welcome this diversion, and if he truly has nothing to hide let people investigate.

I think there is something more sinister involved with his birth.

I think he’s listed as Muslim or perhaps the father is someone else... who knows...

But, my God, this man is our president. We know NOTHING about his upbringing. NOTHING.


22 posted on 07/23/2009 3:08:44 PM PDT by nikos1121
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To: villagerjoel
I don’t buy this argument. He is his mother’s son. She is a US citizen.

You have to read what the law stated at the time of Obama's birth. Stanley Ann Dunham was 18 years of age at the moment of Barack's birth. She would have needed to have been at least 19 years of age to confer US citizenship upon him.

Read it for yourself:

"There three ways for a person claim citizenship, what most of us think of first is called Jus soli, “the right of the soil,” which is the physical location your place of birth. The second is what is called Jus sanguinis, “the right of blood,” which you inherit from your parents. The third is a combination of Jus soli and Jus sanguinis, and it is this combination that determines if one is a natural born citizen.

Since any citizenship under Jus solis is codified by the Fourteenth Amendment, we only find laws for passing citizenship via Jus sanguinis on August 4th, 1961 in the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 (McCarran-Walter Act). This act states that in order for Obama’s right of blood citizenship to be passed to him, that since he only had one parent who was a U.S. citizen at the time of your birth, that parent must have resided in the United States for at least ten years, at least five of which had to be after the age of 14. Barack Hussein Obama, II fails the test for the right to claim “natural born citizen” status."

28 posted on 07/23/2009 3:21:58 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: villagerjoel
Here's where I have a problem with this argument:

If he has US citizenship at all, it is either from being born here or being born of a citizen.

He has not been naturalized, so if he has any citizenship at all, it attached at birth.

So those to contend he is not a citizen based on the circumstances of his birth is, in effect, saying he isn't a citizen at all - which would mean a lot more has slipped through the cracks than the recent election.

Other than the use of a plural in a floor speech, I'd like to see some legal authority drawing a distinction between "natural born citizens" and other "citizens" who attained citizenship status at birth, rather than through naturalization. The "three kinds of citizenship" argument, by its very nature, means that there would be citizens who attained that status at birth but were not "natural born citizens" - I'd like to see some legal definition of who these people are and what exactly their status would be.

30 posted on 07/23/2009 3:25:46 PM PDT by woodyman
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