Skip to comments.Martin Bashir's must-see interview with Michael Jackson re-airs today at 1PM ET, Sunday 12noon ET
Posted on 07/11/2009 9:34:57 AM PDT by ETL
It'll be on the dopey MSNBC channel. They apparently don't even list it on their website, but I know it will be on at 1PM ET today and again tomorrow (Sunday) at 12 noon ET. In any case, you have got to see it to believe it. "Weird" doesn't begin to describe it.
"Living with Michael Jackson" [MJ on sleeping with children: It's very charming. It's very sweet]
Transcript of Bashir interview. Video of it also.
Martin Bashir: "When you are talking about children we met Gavin - and it was a great privilege to meet Gavin because he's had a lot of suffering in his life - when Gavin was there he talked about the fact that he shares your bedroom?"
Bashir: "Can you understand why people would worry about that?"
Jackson: "Because they are ignorant."
Bashir: "But is it really appropriate for a 44-year-old man to share a bedroom with a child that is not related to him at all?"
Jackson: "That's a beautiful thing."
Bashir: "That's not a worrying thing?"
Jackson: "Why should that be worrying, what's the criminal...who's Jack the Ripper in the room? There's some guy trying to heal a healing child ... I'm in a sleeping bag on the floor. "I gave him the bed because he has a brother named Star, so him and Star took the bed and I went along on the sleeping bag."
Bashir: "Did you ever sleep in the bed with them?"
Jackson: "No. But I have slept in a bed with many children. "I slept in a bed with all of them when Macauley Culkin was little: Kieran Culkin would sleep on this side, Macauley Culkin was on this side, his sisters in there...we all would just jam in the bed, you know. "We would wake up like dawn and go in the hot air balloon, you know, we had the footage. I have all that footage."
Bashir: "But is that right Michael?"
Jackson: "It's very right. It's very loving, that's what the world needs now, more love more heart."
Bashir: "The world needs a man who's 44 who's sleeping in a bed with children?"
Jackson: "No, you're making it - no, no you're making it all wrong ..."
Bashir: "Well, tell me, help me ..."
Jackson: "Because what's wrong with sharing a love? You don't sleep with your kids? Or some other kid who needs love who didn't have a good childhood?"
Bashir: "No, no I don't. I would never dream ..."
Jackson: "That's because you've never been where I've been mentally ..."
Bashir: "What do you think people would say if I said well - 'I've invited some of my daughter's friends round or my son's friends round and they are going to sleep in a bed with me tonight'?
Jackson: "That's fine!"
Bashir: "What do you think their parents would say?"
Jackson: "If they're wacky they would say 'You can't', but if you're close family, like your family, and you know them well and ..."
Bashir: "But Michael, I wouldn't like my children to sleep in anybody else's bed."
Jackson: "Well, I wouldn't mind if I knew the person well. I am very close to Barry Gibb - Paris and Prince can stay with him anytime; my children sleep with other people all the time.
Bashir: "And you're happy with that?"
Jackson: "Fine with it. They're honest, they are sweet people. They are not Jack the Ripper."
Speaking to Gavin:
Bashir: "What is it, Gavin, about Michael that makes him connect so well with children? What is it?"
Gavin: "Because he's really a child at heart. He acts just like a child, he knows how a child is, he knows what a child thinks". "See, because I think that you don't necessarily have to be a child just because society says that 18 and up you have to be an adult. Doesn't really matter. You're an adult when you want to be one."
Bashir: "When you stay here, do you stay in the house? Does Michael let you enjoy the whole premises?"
Gavin: "There was one night, I asked him if I could stay in his bedroom. He let me stay in the bedroom." "And I was like, 'Michael you can sleep in the bed', and he was like 'No, no, you sleep on the bed', and I was like 'No, no, no, you sleep on the bed', and then he said 'Look, if you love me, you'll sleep in the bed'. I was like 'Oh mannnn?" so I finally slept on the bed." "But it was fun that night."
Jackson: "I slept on the floor. [to Gavin] Was it a sleeping bag?"
Gavin: "You packed the whole mess of blankets on the floor."
Bashir: "But Michael, you're a 44-year-old man now, what do you get out of this?"
Gavin: "He ain't 44, he's 4!"
Jackson: "Yeah, I'm 4. I love, I feel, I think what they get from me, I get from them. I've said it many times, my greatest inspiration comes from kids. Every song I write, every dance I do, all the poetry I write, is all inspired from the level of innocence." "That consciousness of purity. And children have that. I see God in the face of children. And man, I just love being around that all the time."
Bashir: "But when people hear that children from other families have come and they've stayed in your house, they've stayed in your bedroom ..?"
Jackson: "Very few."
Bashir: "Well, you know, but some have, and they say, is that really appropriate for a man - for a grown man - to be doing that? How do you respond to that?"
Jackson: "I feel sorry for them because that's judging someone who just wants to really help people." "Why can't you share your bed? The most loving thing to do, is to share your bed with someone."
Bashir: "You really think that?"
Jackson: "Yahhh. Of course."
Gavin: "You are taking the position that you use every single night that you sleep and you're sharing it with another ..."
Jackson: "You're saying you can have my bed if you want, sleep in it. I'll sleep on the floor. It's yours. Always give the best to the company, you know. Like to him. Because he was going to sleep on the floor and I said 'No, you sleep in the bed and I'll sleep on the floor.'"
Bashir: "But haven't you got a spare room or a spare house here where he could have stayed?"
Jackson: "No.. yes, we have guest units, but whenever kids come here they always want to stay with me, they never want to stay in the guest rooms." "And I have never invited them into my room, they always just wanna stay with me. They say, 'Can I stay with you tonight?', so I go 'If it's OK with your parents then yes you can'."
Bashir: "Were your parents happy that you were here with Michael?"
Gavin: "Yeah, well, my ma was very, very, very happy. And I know they're happy, because I'm happy."
Bashir: "Did they come with you?"
Gavin: "Most of the time I wasn't busy with my parents, I was mainly with Michael."
Bashir: "But they were happy that you were here?
Jackson: "I'm just very sensitive to their pain and I am very sensitive to the family, the human condition, you know. "On that subject, it means a lot to me and I want to help. Whatever I can to help that you know, it's like I said before and I'll say it a million times, I'm not afraid to say it." "If there were no children on this earth, if someone announced all kids were dead, I would jump off the balcony immediately, I'm done, I'm done."
On allegations of molesting 13-year-old Jordy Chandler, which Jackson has always denied, He paid the boy's parents 18 million to drop a civil case against him:
Bashir: "I suppose the problem for many people is what happened in 1993, or what didn't happen?"
Jackson: "What 'didn't happen'?"
Bashir: "Just cast your mind back, what was that like when you first heard the allegations that were being made against you?"
Jackson: "It was shocking and I'm not allowed to talk about this by way of law, so ..."
Bashir: "But how did you feel about what was being said? I'm not asking you to talk about what was said."
Jackson: "I was shocked because, um, God knows, in my heart how much I adore children."
Bashir: "Isn't that precisely the problem, that when you actually invite children into your bed you never know what is going to happen?"
Jackson: "When you say bed, you're thinking sexual, they make that sexual, it's not sexual." "We're going to sleep, I tuck them in and I put a little like, er, music on and when it's story time I read a book." "We go to sleep with the fireplace on. I give them hot milk, you know, we have cookies, it's very charming, it's very sweet, it's what the whole world should do."
Bashir: "The reason that has been given for why you didn't go to jail is because, because you reached a financial settlement with the family?"
Jackson: "Yeah, I didn't want to do a long drawn-out thing on TV like OJ, and all that stupid stuff, you know, it wouldn't look right. I said, look, get this over with. I want to go on with my life. This is ridiculous, I've had enough, go."
YouTube video of this segment of the Bashir interview can be found on parts 8 and 9 of the following playlist:
Living with Michael Jackson part 8:
Living with Michael Jackson part 9:
Jackson: "...what's wrong with sharing a love? You don't sleep with your kids? Or some other kid who needs love who didn't have a good childhood?"
Bashir: "No, no I don't. I would never dream ..."
Jackson: "That's because you've never been where I've been mentally..."
I’m lucky. I don’t get MSNBC.
Better yet...for anyone interested in the truth, I would recommend watching the FULL VERSION of Bashir’s interview with Michael Jackson.
Well, do you have a link to it?
I don’t know how much of it is on the YouTube playlist I linked to above, but I think it might be more complete than this MSNBC doct.
“On allegations of molesting 13-year-old Jordy Chandler, which Jackson has always denied, He paid the boy’s parents 18 million to drop a civil case against him:”
NO, he did not....
From March 22, 2005 court motion filed (in the Arviso case) and titled, Mr. Jacksons Memorandum in Support of Objection to Subpoena to Larry Feldman for Settlement Documents: (relevant section)
C. The 1993 Civil Settlement was Made by Mr. Jacksons Insurance Company and was Not Within Mr. Jacksons Control.
The plaintiff seeks to introduce evidence of the civil settlement of the 1993 lawsuit through the testimony of Larry Feldman, attorney for the current complaining family and attorney for the plaintiff in the 1993 matter. The settlement agreement was for global claims of negligence and the lawsuit was defended by Mr. Jacksons insurance carrier. The insurance carrier negotiated and paid the settlement, over the protests of Mr. Jackson and his personal legal counsel.
It is general practice for an insurer to be entitled to control settlement negotiations and the insured is precluded from any interference. Shapero v. Allstate Ins. Co., 114 Cal. App.3d 433, 438 (1971); Ivy v. Pacific Automobile Ins. Co., 156 Cal. App.2d 652, 660 (1958)(the insured is precluded from interfering with settlement procedures). Under the majority of contracts for liability insurance, the absolute control of the defense of the matter is turned over to the insurance company and the insured is excluded from any interference in any negotiation for settlement or other legal proceedings (emphasis added). Merritt v. Reserve Ins. Co., 34 Cal. App.3d 858, 870 (1973). An insurance carrier has the right to settle claims covered by insurance when it decides settlement is expedient and the insured may not interfere with nor prevent such settlements. 44 Am. Jur. 2d, Insurance, sec. 1392, at 326-27 (rev. ed 2002)
In Brown v. Guarantee Ins. Co., 155 Cal. App. 2d 679, 685 (1957), the court stated:
It is generally understood that these are rights and privileges which it is necessary for the insurer to have in order to justify or enable it to assume obligations which it does in the contract of insurance. So long as recovery does not exceed the limits of the insurance, the question of whether the claim be compromised or settled, or the matter in which it shall be defended, is a matter of no concern to the insured.
The insurers right to control the defense of any action against the insured includes the right to negotiate settlement, and to otherwise conduct defense of the action. The consent of the insured is usually superfluous. Liability policies usually specifically prohibit the insured from settling or negotiating for a settlement or interfering in any manner with the defense except upon request of the insurer unless the insurer is in breach of contract. By accepting a liability insurance policy, the insured is bound by these terms. (Croskey, et. al, Cal. Practice Guide: Insurance Litigation 3, supra, section 12:207, p. 12B-2.) For this reason, it is common practice for insurance counsel and an adjuster to handle the negotiation of insurance funded settlements with out the superfluous involvement of a fully protected insured. Fiege v. Cooke, __ Cal. App. 4th __ (2004).
It is unfair for an insurance companys settlement to be now held against Mr. Jackson or for the Settlement Agreement to be admitted as evidence of Mr. Jacksons prior conduct or guilt. Mr. Jackson could not control nor interfere with his insurance carriers demand to settle the dispute. No admission against interest nor acknowledgment of criminality can be inferred regarding Mr. Jackson from the act of the insurance carrier in the settling the litigation.
Chandler’s took the money and ran. They could have filed criminal charges against MJ and CHOSE NOT TO.
Some female reporter asked him why all the crotch grabbing and he said he didn’t do it on purpose but that it was a natural thing.
Regardless of any actual “sexual abuse”, he’s, without a doubt, guilty of child abuse, psychological and emotional.
BTW, you don’t actual admire or respect this twisted bastard, do you?
I’m still waiting for some links. You didn’t provide them for either of your posts.
Lol! Careful! You're going to upset Kimberly.
I don’t know that the FULL version is available on YouTube.
However, YouTube does have Michael Jackson’s response to the Bashir documentary. MJ’s response is titled “Living with Michael Jackson, Take Two” and is divided into Parts 1 - 9. It contains the edited footage you weren’t meant to see. Bashir must have been a real dimwit not to think Jackson would have been filming too.
Living with Michael Jackson, Take Two part 1
Very little about what’s said about Michael Jackson upsets me anymore. I chalk the garbage said up to fear and ignorance.
“hes, without a doubt, guilty of child abuse, psychological and emotional.”
In YOUR opinion.
“you dont actual admire or respect this twisted bastard, do you?”
I’ve never found any reason not to.
Link to legal document referenced above.
Even sleeping with kids, crotch grabs and his freakish appearance didn't bother you?
FALSE ALARM! This MSNBC version cut out just about everything of importance. But what can you expect from a totally screwed up network like NBC. I should have known better. Please refer to the posted youtube clips instead and/or the transcript. Sorry if you actually sat through it.
He slept with them. Nothing sexual has ever been proven.
His appearance only got worse as Lupus destroyed his nose, Vitiligo destroyed the pigment in his skin, and wigs became necessary due to severe scalp burns. The only thing that ever bothered me about his appearance was him having to endure a lifetime of ridicule.
And frankly, as far as ‘crotch grabs’ are concerned, we probably see just as many on the ball fields....not to mention strangely acceptable man to man “way to go” butt slaps. But for the sake of disclosure, I should admit I’m not much of a sports fan...never could understand why men found it enjoyable to roll around on top of each other.
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