Posted on 06/09/2009 8:47:35 AM PDT by Davy Buck
My oh my, what would the critics, the Civil War publications, publishers, and bloggers do if it weren't for the bad boys of the Confederacy and those who study them and also those who wish to honor their ancestors who fought for the Confederacy?
(Excerpt) Read more at oldvirginiablog.blogspot.com ...
Your “paragraph 2” quote was right, but cut short, to the benefit of your pending misrepresentations.
The Wrong is that you then inserted all of your commentary which you attempted to use as a clever literary device called a “re-modifiier” which totally reversed the meaning of paragraph 2 in its entirety.
I prefer your lame attempts at sarcasm rather than this type of misdirection and literary dishonesty.
Treat, consult, and negotiate were the reasons the men were in Washington.
Would you place more weight on Madison or Buchanan?
In case you hadn’t already discovered, the only thing Squat2pee is good for is diversionary tactics. He makes grandiose claims on a regular basis and then bluffs and blusters and bloviates - everything except tell the truth.
Accept that and the rest is easy!
Then explain this:
Order of the President of the United States to the Commandant, Navy Yard, New York.
The fitting out of the USS Powhatan
Executive Mansion, April 1, 1861
Sir: You will fit out the Powhatan without delay. Lieutenant Porter will relieve Captain Mercer in command of her. She is bound on secret service, and you will under no circumstances communicate to the Navy Department the fact that she is fitting out.
Abraham Lincoln
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9404E4D9153CE433A25753C1A9679C94669ED7CF
You said: "Nonsense."
Then how do you explain this?
January, 1861. (Major Anderson) declared that unless it (the firing on the Star of the West) was promptly disclaimed he would regard it as an act of war, and after waiting a reasonable time he would fire upon all vessels coming within range of his guns.
I said: “There was no Confederate attempt to starve anyone.”
You said: “Then why did Davis order all contact with the fort cut off, including food, almost two weeks before they finally attacked?”
The Charleston Confederate leadership learned of the ships fitting out in New York. Assuming they were headed south, the supplies were cut off to cease support of the Union garrison at Ft. Sumter.
There was no effort to starve anyone.
No, that's the best response when someone says something so patently false as to be ridiculous. Lincoln informed Pickens of his intention well before the ships ever left New York.
Absolute nonsense. I posted the relevant parts of the paragraph completely and in context. The first was the demand on the part of the Davis government and the second made it clear that there was no offer to pay for any of the property they had stolen or debt they had walked away from or the obligations they repudiated.
The Wrong is that you then inserted all of your commentary which you attempted to use as a clever literary device called a “re-modifiier” which totally reversed the meaning of paragraph 2 in its entirety.
More nonsense.
Or matters relating to the founder's intent? Madison.
What of it?
FORT SUMTER, S. C., January 9, 1861
To his Excellency the GOVERNOR OF SOUTH CAROLINA:
SIR: Two of your batteries fired this morning upon an unarmed vessel bearing the flag of my Government. As I have not been notified that war has been declared by South Carolina against the Government of the United States, I cannot but think that this hostile act was committed without your sanction or authority. Under that hope, and that alone, did I refrain from opening fire upon your batteries. I have the honor, therefore, respectfully to ask whether the above mentioned act-one, I believe, without a parallel in the history of our country or of any other civilized government-was committed in obedience to your instructions, and to notify you, if it be not disclaimed, that I must regard it as na act of war, and that I shall not, after a reasonable time for the return of my messenger, permit any vessels to pass within range of the guns of my fort. In order to save, as far as in my power, the shedding of blood, I beg that you will have due notification of this my decision given to all concerned. Hoping, however, that your answer may be such as will justify a further continuance of forbearance upon my part,
I have the honor to be, very respectfully, your obedient servant,
ROBERT ANDERSON,
Major, First Artillery, Commanding.
Because if war had begun then it was because the confederacy had started it, and Anderson's response would have been against a beligerant who had fired first.
Completely false. According to the orders given Beauregard, "The delays and apparent vacillations of the Washington Government make it imperative that the further concession of courtesies such as have been accorded to Major Anderson and his command, in supplies from the city, must cease..."
The intent was to starve the garrison into surrender.
Still pushing the letter issue?
Then show a source that proves that a letter to the Governor was sent and signed by the President.
According to the “Official Records” and authors such as Klein, the Southern leaders suspected that Lincoln had ordered as many as 11 ships, several hundred soldiers, munitions, and war materiel to be sent to Southern ports.
Are you now admitting that Lincoln ordered that and sent last minute notice to the Governor of SC?
There must be something in our TX water...I agree with you 100%.
Another misrepresentation.
From Lincoln's inaugural:
“The power confided in me will be used to hold, occupy and possess the property and places belonging to the government, and to collect the duties and impost...”
Lincoln was collecting taxes by force of arms.
You said: “Lee’s assumption that he was a citizen of Virgina first was something he later regretted.”
And that is documented where?
No I think it is something in the genes of those who moved here because of past government opression.
We will survive whatever time in office there is for the "magic negro". (aka Lyning Kenyan Commie Muzzie who sleeps in the White House)
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Texas has yet to learn submission to any oppression, come from what source it may.
Sam Houston
Oh just great when I had a link ready no one bother to respond now that I am elsewhere you want a link,
Here’s a clue, check Lee’s Letters after the war.
Maybe I missed it, but did you provide any actual facts?
Like I said, you claimed some very specific numbers regarding slave ownership in the North. Back them up, or I'm going to assume you just made them up.
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