Targeting Lost Causers

Old Virginia Blog ^ | 06/09/2009 | Richard Williams

[Davy Buck]

My oh my, what would the critics, the Civil War publications, publishers, and bloggers do if it weren't for the bad boys of the Confederacy and those who study them and also those who wish to honor their ancestors who fought for the Confederacy?

[PeaRidge]

So, are you saying that for you, James Madison is your foremost authority on Constitutional authority and responsibility?

[Non-Sequitur]

So, are you saying that for you, James Madison is your foremost authority on Constitutional authority and responsibility?

Given the part he played in creating the Constitution in the first place, I'd place more weight on what Madison has to say on the subject than most others.

[PeaRidge]

A very reasoned reply you have there.

Unfortunately there is nothing in the Constitution that bears any resemblance to your assertions, which makes them useless.

I asked you if you agreed that secession was valid, not your personal opinion on what the Constitution should say.

[Non-Sequitur]

Do you know the names Martin Crawford of Georgia, John Forsyth of Alabama, and A. B. Roman of Louisiana and where they were on March 7, 1861?

Sitting in D.C. waiting to deliver their ultimatum to Abraham Lincoln.

[PeaRidge]

Again, you say you have no problem with secession, but add the modifiers of slavery and methodology.

Again, the Constitution says nothing about any of that.

[PeaRidge]

For a reasonable answer, consider what Davis and Lee did.

[PeaRidge]

Your link, i.e. Lincoln's alleged message to Governor Pickens, is simply a re-posting of Lincoln's deception.

Lincoln said in the message and also to the Northern newspapers that he was sending supplies, and that the:

“garrison in Fort Sumter would be supplied with provisions, peaceably, if permitted, forcibly, if necessary.”

What kind of supplies?

One of the “relief supply” ships, the “Baltic”, intended to disembark troops (300 in number) at Fort Sumter to increase the manning of the fort by a multiple of four or five times it original complement.

This is hardly the action of a ship “carrying supplies only”. A fine example of Lincoln's perfidy, as they called it.

[Non-Sequitur]

Your link, i.e. Lincoln's alleged message to Governor Pickens, is simply a re-posting of Lincoln's deception.

Lincoln's deception? Where was be being deceiving?

Lincoln said in the message and also to the Northern newspapers that he was sending supplies...

Which is what the letter said. Didn't you read it.

One of the “relief supply” ships, the “Baltic”, intended to disembark troops (300 in number) at Fort Sumter to increase the manning of the fort by a multiple of four or five times it original complement.

In the event that the resupply was opposed. Again, didn't you read the message Lincoln sent to Pickens?

This is hardly the action of a ship “carrying supplies only”. A fine example of Lincoln's perfidy, as they called it.

Nobody in their right mind would call it that.

[PeaRidge]

Contrary to your assertion, Lincoln wanted it kept secret:

“April 1, 1861-Lincoln sent a secret message to Admiral Foote at the Brooklyn Naval Yard to outfit the “Powhatan” for military use. Foote was instructed under no circumstances to notify the Navy Department of this action. When the “Powhatan” sailed to Charlestown it was disguised as a merchant ship flying the flag of Great Britain with the ships name painted out.”

Source: Days of Defiance, Klein.

[usmcobra]

Would you secede if it was to create a slave state today or create a communist nation?

Again the constitution says nothing about motives methodology, does it?

These are reasons why the congress should be involved there is the protection of American citizens involved and our government has the right to ensure their safety.

[PeaRidge]

So was the breaking of the nonaggression agreements between the President and the states of SC and Fla.

[PeaRidge]

You said: "Can you point to the usurpations or abuses of power that occurred in 1860 that justified secession?"

Yes, I can.

[Ditto]

Please do. I have asked that question for years and no one ever provides a list.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

When the “Powhatan” sailed to Charlestown it was disguised as a merchant ship flying the flag of Great Britain with the ships name painted out.

Except the "Powhatan" didn't sail to Charleston.

[PeaRidge]

Madison also said this:

“Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be dreaded, because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes; and armies, and debts, and taxes are the known instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few.”

[Non-Sequitur]

Contrary to your assertion, Lincoln wanted it kept secret...

And how better to do that than send a message to the governor of South Carolina announcing your intentions? </sarcasm>

[PeaRidge]

Nice commentary, but not a Constitutional article

[Non-Sequitur]

So was the breaking of the nonaggression agreements between the President and the states of SC and Fla.

Agreements that had been violated by SC and Fla long before Lincoln entered office.

[Non-Sequitur]

Nice commentary, but not a Constitutional article

Yeah, what did Madison know about the Constitution anyway? </sarcasm>

[Ditto]

I agree with all of that. Madison was a pretty smart guy, albeit, he did get us into a war with Great Britain that we were damn lucky to survive.