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FIRST: My apologies to JoeProBono for disrupting the thread with this side-topic.

[Pinging Jeff Head on this post because of his research on Black Liberation Theology as well... I briefly mentioned that I had a theory of how to “prove” Islam itself as a false religion that has been corrupted — especially in the Hadiths that Radical Islamics use as justification for Jihad, I’m just trying to get a better handle on all the “players” here... Apologies also as I’m totally off a normal sleep schedule and a bit tired...]

So ETL, basically what you’re saying is that Farrakhan’s(hereafter referred to as LF) NOI has got a lot more to do with Black Liberation Theology, and the advocating of Communist political efforts, than it has to do with Islam itself?

Now, that would lend a LOT more credibility as to why Malcolm X quit Farrakhan’s group shortly before his assassination, and why members of the NOI were thought to be behind it as Malcolm, if he continued to speak out, was directly confronting LF on the lies within black liberation theology, especially as LF tried to morph it to fit with some kind of Islamic dogma/doctrines?

I’ve got that right, correct? IIRC, there are allegations that Malcolm was killed by the NOI, and that he was starting to speak out against the black-on-white racism that was so much a part of the NOI movement. I’m remembering this from something Malcolm said when he got back from a pilgrimage to Mecca - I’m remembering a black & white TV News Clip in which Malcolm said that he saw that Farrakhan could NOT be correct because he met WHITE Muslims praying at Mecca (It seems that the still B&W shot of Malcolm you had in your post ETL is from that same interview - asking why he’s been laying “low”). IOW - What I got from Malcolm’s interview was that he figured out that God nor Allah could be against all whites as LF (and others following the NOI and BLT) believed. I think there was something in the interview where Malcolm X alleged that LF said whites would never “get it”, and could never understand Islam itself, and would never be accepted by Allah, but seeing with his own eyes in Mecca changed his acceptance of LF’s premise...

I’m trying to figure this all out, and as all lies of deception - there are so many tangled webs to sort out... When one thinks they’ve got a handle on one thing, something else pops up and basically shreds parts of the theory! LOL There’s just something about this topic that keeps nagging at me, like some kind of purloined letter staring me in the face that I just can’t see — this goes into more of a religious bent at this point as I feel like God is prompting me to look into this... I don’t think I have any special wisdom - after all I know many here who know way more about these issues than I - but perhaps it’s my naivete God is planning to use, or maybe I’m just stuck on this for whatever reason! LOL

Anyway, if you could help me out here FRiends, how do you view Farrakhan’s statement (and this is a pretty direct quote, and only a part of LF’s “Sermon” at that yearly meeting for the NOI you mentioned in your link ETL). “When you hear Barack speaking, that is THE MESSIAH speaking”.

Was Farrakhan, in your opinion(s), playing on words comparing him to Christ (as in he’s the political messiah that will “free” the black people and bring judgement to all “whites”), or was Farrakhan saying that he believes Barack is the messiah (in reference to Islam’s religious messiah), or just that Farrakhan believes Obama is divinely inspired? Another possibility — that LF was making this kind of comparison because Communism believes in no God except human gods of their own creation (i.e. their revolutionary leaders)?

Just curious, and thanks for any pointers...

Yes...

"...link the struggle here with Africa and the Caribbean, Central and South America."

Millions More Movement rally
Washington D.C., October 15, 2005
Louis Farrakhan speech

Louis Farrakhan, at the Millions More Movement rally in DC, Oct 15, 2005: "...what Mao Tse Tung did was, he went to the cultural community, and they [Farrakhan spreads his arms beneficently] accepted his idea."... "Mao Tse Tung ... had a billion people whose lives he had to transform."..."the idea of Mao Tse Tung became the idea of a billion people, and China became a world power on the base of the culture and the arts community. If we had a ministry of art and culture in every city we'd create this movement [in the U.S.]."
Source: http://thedrunkablog.blogspot.com/2005/10/communist-plot-noted.html
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From Louis Farrakhan's "Nation Of Islam" website, FinalCall.com...
Re: Millions More Movement rally, Oct 15, 2005:

Unity generates power to change reality
By the Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan

"The time has never been more ripe for a strategic relationship between the Black, Brown, Native American and the poor of this nation and the world."

"We need a Ministry of Defense. Our young men are born soldiers, but they are in the wrong war. They are fighting a war in the streets of America against each other, or they are fighting an unjust war overseas in Afghanistan and Iraq. We need to bring our boys home and put them into the Ministry of Defense, so we can defend our communities, rather than destroy our communities.

We need a Ministry of Art and Culture. We applaud the hip hop community, the leaders of young people all over the world, but I want the young generation of artists to know there is a bigger purpose for art and culture than popping our fingers and shaking our backsides. Mao Tse Tung, throughout his long march to conquer China, had a billion people whose lives he had to transform. Many of them were victims of opium, drugs and prostitution, like we are. But Mao Tse Tung went to the cultural community and they accepted his idea. Then, through song, dance, poetry, drama, documentaries, movies and books, the idea of Mao Tse Tung became the idea of a billion people. China became a world power on the base of culture and the artistic community. If we had a Ministry of Art and Culture in every city, [we'd] create this movement [in the U.S.], we could say to our young people, “What is the idea of the Time and are you reflecting that idea in your songs, dance and music?

We need a Ministry of Trade and Commerce. Do you think that a Millions More Movement should not be involved in the development of Africa, the Caribbean and Central America? ... we need a Ministry of Trade and Commerce that can link the struggle here with Africa and the Caribbean, Central and South America.

Source: FinalCall.com
(note: this is Farrakhan's own "Nation Of Islam" website. However, the original page has 'mysteriously' been removed and it exists only in this linked cache form, thus the looong url -etl):
http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=%22We+need+a+Ministry+of+Defense.+Our+young+men+are+born+soldiers%2C+but+they+are+in+the+wrong+war.%22%22mao%22&fr=moz2&u=www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_4328.shtml&w=%22we+need+a+ministry+of+defense+our+young+men+are+born+soldiers+but+they+are+in+the+wrong+war%22+mao&d=A4xrG52uSSxU&icp=1&.intl=us
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Louis Farrakhan, Santiago de Cuba, February, 1998: "There is not a member of the black masses in the United States who is not proud of the example set by Cuba and its revolution, with Comandante Fidel at its head"
Source: http://www.fiu.edu/~fcf/farakhan21898.html#says
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"Minister Farrakhan and his delegation met privately with President Fidel Castro of Cuba."
http://www.finalcall.com/media/cuba/
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From the Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam website, FinalCall.com...
Malik Zulu Shabazz, chairman of the New Black Panther Party for Self-Defense (NBPP):
"We are happy today to be standing side by side with the Nation of Islam. We believe, like the Nation of Islam and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad believe, in a nation of our own. We believe in a Black first philosophy and a Black Liberation Theology. We don’t worry about the criticism. We love all of those who labored in the Panther Party from the ’60s. Many are with us today."
http://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1858.shtml
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From the Maoist Internationist Movement:
[1960s/original] Black Panther Party [BPP] Archives
From the article: REVOLUTIONARY HEROES

"On May 1st, May Day [1969], the day of the gigantic Free Huey rally, two of Alioto's top executioners vamped on the brothers from the Brown Community who were attending to their own affairs. These brothers, who are endowed with the revolutionary spirit of the Black Panther Party defended themselves from the racist pig gestapo.

Pig Joseph Brodnik received his just reward with a big hole in the chest. Pig Paul McGoran got his in the mouth which was not quite enough to off him.

The revolutionary brothers escaped the huge swarm of pigs with dogs, mace, tanks and helicopters, proving once again that "the spirit of the people is greater than the man's technology."

To these brothers the revolutionary people of racist America want to say, by your revolutionary deed you are heroes, and that you are always welcome to our camp."

Source: Maoist Internationist Movement
Article: REVOLUTIONARY HEROS (May 11, 1969):

http://web.archive.org/web/20060717050055/http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/bpp/index.html
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Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Obama's pastor and ~~spirtual advisor~~ "crazy uncle" of more than 20 years, honors "Honorable" Minister Louis Farrakhan with the "Jeremiah A. Wright Lifetime Achievement Trumpeteer Award" at the 2007 Trumpet Gala held at the Hyatt Regency Chicago.
[it appears the original video was removed, but this one is identical to it]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jW2OhkZ0RSg
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Farrakhan hails Obama as 'hope of entire world'
February 25, 2008

Louis Farrakhan, at the annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008: "This young man is the hope of the entire world that America will change and be made better"..."If you look at Barack Obama's audiences and look at the effect of his words, those people are being transformed."
Source: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23333598/

Video of Farrakhan's Obama endorsement at the above 'annual Saviours' Day celebration in Chicago, Feb. 25, 2008'. Hear him (Farrakhan) call Obama "The Messiah" And speak of "universal change":
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=farrakhan+messiah+obama&aq=0&oq=Farrakhan+messiah
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Obama's Church: Gospel of Hate
Kathy Shaidle, FrontPageMag.com
Monday, April 07, 2008

In March of 2007, FOX News host Sean Hannity had engaged Obama’s pastor in a heated interview about his Church’s teachings. For many viewers, the ensuing shouting match was their first exposure to "Black Liberation Theology"...

Like the pro-communist Liberation Theology that swept Central America in the 1980s and was repeatedly condemned by Pope John Paul II, Black Liberation Theology combines warmed-over 1960s vintage Marxism with carefully distorted biblical passages. However, in contrast to traditional Marxism, it emphasizes race rather than class. The Christian notion of "salvation" in the afterlife is superseded by "liberation" on earth, courtesy of the establishment of a socialist utopia.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=30CD9E14-B0C9-4F8C-A0A6-A896F0F44F02
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Catholics for Marx [Liberation Theology]
By Fr. Robert Sirico
FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, June 03, 2004

In the days when the Superpowers were locked in a Cold War, Latin America seethed with revolution, and millions lived behind an iron curtain, a group of theologians concocted a novel idea within the history of Christianity. They proposed to combine the teachings of Jesus with the teachings of Marx as a way of justifying violent revolution to overthrow the economics of capitalism.

The Gospels were re-rendered not as doctrine impacting on the human soul but rather as windows into the historical dialectic of class struggle. These "liberation theologians" saw every biblical criticism of the rich as a mandate to expropriate the expropriating owners of capital, and every expression of compassion for the poor as a call for an uprising by the proletarian class of peasants and workers.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=460782B7-35CC-4C9E-A2C5-93832067C7CD
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"Their founding document [the Weather Underground's] called for the establishment of a "white fighting force" to be allied with the "Black Liberation Movement" and other "anti-colonial" movements[1] to achieve "the destruction of US imperialism and the achievement of a classless world: world communism."..."-Berger, Dan (2006). Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity. AK Press, 95.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_Underground#cite_ref-Berger_0-0

Outlaws of America: The Weather Underground and the Politics of Solidarity (Paperback) by Dan Berger
http://www.amazon.com/Outlaws-America-Underground-Politics-Solidarity/dp/1904859410
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From the New York Times, August 24, 2003

"they [the Weather Underground] employed revolutionary jargon, advocated armed struggle and black liberation and began bombing buildings, taking responsibility for at least 20 attacks. Estimates of their number ranged at times from several dozen to several hundred."

Article: Quieter Lives for 60's Militants, but Intensity of Beliefs Hasn't Faded
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F04E4DE1539F937A1575BC0A9659C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2
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"This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English..."

YouTube Video:
The O'Reilly Factor confronts Bill Ayers:
October 24, 2008:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP3uvK9gTIY
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William Ayers, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. headline Mideast peace rally
[mega-barf alert!]
Chicago Tribune ^ | May 18, 2009 | Tara Malone

Posted on Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:12:34 AM EDT by ETL:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2253806/posts
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Excerpt from The American Thinker
Article: Obama, Black Liberation Theology, and Karl Marx
May 28, 2008

Just one nugget from the Sacred Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, "Instruction on Certain Aspects of the ‘Theology of Liberation': "...it would be illusory and dangerous to ignore the intimate bond which radically unites them (liberation theologies), and to accept elements of the marxist analysis without recognizing its connections with the (Marxist) ideology, or to enter into the practice of the class-struggle and of its marxist interpretation while failing to see the kind of totalitarian society to which this process slowly leads."
--Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, Prefect, now Pope Benedict XVI; written in 1984

Understanding that black liberation theology is Marxism dressed up to look like Christianity helps explain why there is no conflict between Cone's "Christianity" [i.e. 'reverend Wright's thing] and Farrakhan's "Nation of Islam." They are two prophets in the same philosophical (Marxist) pod, merely using different religions as backdrops for their black-power aims.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/05/obama_black_liberation_theolog.html
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That's Michelle Obama with Mrs. Farrakhan. Mrs. Farrakhan is at center bottom wearing white -etl
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/06/03/michelle-obama-and-louis-farrakhans-wife-together-in-photo/

Or,
http://conservativepolitics.today.com/2008/06/03/michelle-pictured-together-with-wife-of-louis-farrakhan/

Original piece from Jet Magazine itself available (apparently) with a free trial subscription to HighBeam Research:
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-120033408.html

From: Jet [Magazine] | Date: July 26, 2004 | Author: | 700+ words
Rainbow/PUSH Coalition holds 33rd annual conference in Chicago.(National Report)
"Read the rest of this article with a FREE trial. Sign up below..."
https://www.highbeam.com/reg/reg1.aspx?full=yes&origurl=/doc/1G1-120033408.html
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More from Farrakhan's "Nation Of Islam" website (FinalCall.com)...

The Good Samaritan; A study of Cuba (FCN/Min. Louis Farrakhan, 03-27-2006)

Min. Farrakhan leads delegation on successful and much anticipated Cuba visit (FCN, 03-29-2006)
US to Bankroll Cuba Destabilization (PRENSA LATINA, 07-11-2006)
Why does the U.S. government hate Cuba? (FCN, 04-10-2006)
Cuban ‘bomber’ seeking U.S. asylum was on CIA payroll (FCN, 03-24-2005)
President Nelson Mandela Honors of President Castro of Cuba (ANC Transcript, 1998)
Source:
http://www.finalcall.com/media/cuba/