Posted on 05/24/2009 10:20:53 AM PDT by Logic n' Reason
I have become very curious about the Freemasons and freemasonry in general.
How does it "fit in" with the group of Christian religions...how about islam? What are the views and opinions of those at this site?
Brick, slump bloc, or natural stone? We aims to please!
My grandfather was a Freemason and a Christian. The two do not conflict (as far as I can tell). The freemason conspiracy theories are just nonsense. My grandfather was a humble central Texas Sheriff’s Deputy, not a cog in a giant conspiracy.
SnakeDoc
Thank you....first good tip!
Interesting point of view....
The European kings paid outrageous sums of money for the defense of the Holy Land. Supposedly, they weren’t enriching mercenaries, but making the war effort possible. The Knights Templar are forced militarily to withdraw from the Holy Land because they can’t win the war. France ends up bankrupt, the Knights Templar fabulously wealthy (at least according to freemason’s legends), and the French king owes the Knights Templar enormous debts? On top of it all, the Knights Templar claim the right to move their standing army through France and any territory they feel like?
What doesn’t add up here?
The article from the Catholic Reporter of course was quoting Italian Masons, who had been among the most anti—catholic national Masonic group. Apparently they were moderating their position against the Church. IMHO it was very unfortunate for the Reporter to publish this article without even attempting to get an authoritative statement of the Church’s actual position.
But we seem to be all on the same page now. Kumbaya to everybody. I still think that there are worse things than being a Mason, but I will not be doing any of them either.
You need to head back to your local bar, your Miller Lite, and your pool table. They love you there!
The all-seeing eye was a reference to an all powerful God long before Masons began to use it in adornments and rituals. Masonry incorporates into it’s practices to represent the same thing, (God), that other institutions including the church, have used it to represent for millennia. The fact that it is in the arch over the alter of a Catholic church is unlikely to have any Masonic meaning whatever.
Um. Because the Catholics wanted a Christian version of Freemasons?
Um. Because the Catholics wanted a Christian version of Freemasons?
KC had to do with Catholics not being able to get life insurance in the early 20th century. And they're really not like the shriners. Shriners can actually AFFORD those little cars. KC members are, for the most part, like my relatives, men who work on their feet.
I am afraid that you have a problem. Please see posts #55, 58, 76, 78, 84, and 93
Those little cars almost make me want to be able to BE a Mason. Also those fezes.
Logic n’ Reason,
Despite the fact that there seems to be so much vitriol on this post, mostly from people who seem to have no idea what Freemasonry really is, those of us who are Masons are glad to have a reasonable discussion. Ask respectful questions and we will give respectful answers.
That would be helpful. You and I have discussed the history of the Catholic church in mediaeval England, and that the earliest definitive example of my surname appears in the Templar Inquisition of 1185. I was raised in a casually Protestant home, and became interested in genealogy in adulthood; this earliest discovery of my surname caused me to sour somewhat on Catholicism, something that I'd no cause to really think about prior, since there were few Catholics where I grew up, and we weren't exactly devout. It took me several years to come back around and accept that humans are inherently fallen but for the Grace of God, and that their institutions can be as well. It helped lead me back to Him in a way, odd as that sounds.
“You would be wrong. “
No, I would be right. there is nothing in Freemasonry that resembles Christianity. Their blood oaths and their rituals prove it.
I have been a Mason for roughly forty years and have never heard of such horse hockey as you have quoted. So you read this nonsense in a book, huh? So if I write a book and said I have lived on Mars for the last five years and describe all my adventures there,....does that make it the truth because I wrote it in a book?
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