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A tale of two snakes and why they were allowed to live (not political)
Austin American Statewsman ^ | 5.10.2009 | Mike Leggett

Posted on 05/11/2009 5:08:47 AM PDT by wolfcreek

THE HILL COUNTRY — This is a tale of two snakes, both rattlesnakes, crotalus atrox, and why they got to live.

One big reason they're still among the living is that they got lucky when they decided to crawl across the road as I was going by.

And although they acted somewhat differently — one was extremely shy and tried only to sneak away and hide; the other was slightly more aggressive and rattled as he slid into the rocks to disappear — neither of them wanted to bite anybody, and that saved their bacon.

(Excerpt) Read more at statesman.com ...


TOPICS: Education; Gardening; Outdoors
KEYWORDS: rattlers; snakes
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To: Ditter
I was responding to some Southeasterners. That's where the Eastern rattlers live.

I'm quite aware how big Western (south Texas) rattlers can get.

I saw a Steve Irwin program where he was *playing* with Easterns and telling why they were some of the most aggressive and dangerous rattlers.

41 posted on 05/11/2009 12:19:01 PM PDT by wolfcreek ("unnamed "right-wing extremist")
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To: wolfcreek; TheMom

Hognose play possum when threaten. Scary to look at but very sweet little snakes that can live on toads alone.

I caught one once when I was working on my compost heap. He popped up right between my feet and I grabbed him behind the head to keep from being bitten. Carried him through the house yelling for the wife to get the Peterson Field Guide which she finally did. Found out he didn’t bite and he lived with us for years.


42 posted on 05/11/2009 12:26:37 PM PDT by Eaker (The Two Loudest Sounds in the World.....Bang When it should have been Click and the Reverse.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

The kids are 45 and 35 years old, they are taking care of themselves. I still hate snakes.


43 posted on 05/11/2009 12:35:50 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Eaker

Hey Eaker, what kind of snake was that Humblegunner killed?


44 posted on 05/11/2009 12:36:04 PM PDT by wolfcreek ("unnamed "right-wing extremist")
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To: mikeus_maximus

I saw that show.


45 posted on 05/11/2009 12:37:20 PM PDT by wolfcreek ("unnamed "right-wing extremist")
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To: wolfcreek

After discussing the long version with him on the phone we are both positive that it was a moccasin.

No doubts.


46 posted on 05/11/2009 12:40:16 PM PDT by Eaker (The Two Loudest Sounds in the World.....Bang When it should have been Click and the Reverse.)
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To: Eaker

That’s what I thought too. (from the pictures)

Thanks!


47 posted on 05/11/2009 12:46:57 PM PDT by wolfcreek ("unnamed "right-wing extremist")
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To: mywholebodyisaweapon
LOL. Yeah, I remember that. I came across that old post a year or so ago (for some reason all old posts seemed to disappear from FR some time last year ...when the servers were going down every day).

The Mamba fascinates me ...it actually LOOKS lethal. Sure, many venomous snakes look dangerous - but there is something about the Mamba that would even make an Alien from Mars realize there was 'something' about that snake. Also, when you are on a game drive and you see one cross the road ...it makes you treasure and count your breaths from that moment.

As for the story ...well, I would not be surprised if there were breeding populations of venomous snakes in the US (the warmer parts). So far we hear of the pythons in the Everglades (primarily because Burmese pythons are quite popular). However, sooner or later some person will relase several exotic venomous serpents, and it will be interesting.

Oh, as for the story. It had to do with a loose Mamba someone kept in their home that got lose. Interestingly, a couple years ago a fireman got killed by a Gaboon Viper (an African viper that has the longest fangs of any snake in the world, and venom that would curdle your thoughts) when he went into some person's home for some reason (maybe an emergency?) and the snake had gotten loose. Well, it bit him, and there was no anti-venin available.

LEt's just say it is one of those cases where suicide would seem attractive (Google the effects of Gaboon viper venom ....let's just say there are far better ways to die).

Hey ...have a great day FRiend. Stay blessed.

48 posted on 05/11/2009 1:22:03 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: MeekOneGOP; ValerieTexas; txhurl; basil; SwinneySwitch; austinaero; lormand; WhyisaTexasgirlinPA; ..

Ping


49 posted on 05/12/2009 6:35:05 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (It took almost 250 years to make the USA great and 30 days for "The Failure" BO to tear it down.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
It might have been the same snake. I saw it on different days in the same general location--once hiking--once on a bicycle. It was coiled both times, and I didn't get close enough for a really good look--but that was a BIG.....well! It rattled at me, so its identity was not in doubt. It occurred to me that it could be a pregnant female or a snake that had just finished a big meal, but whether or no--that thing was SCARY! I'd hate to chance upon one like that by accident.

Another time--another place--I saw a small copperhead in the middle of a paved road. As I was watching it from a distance, a truck stopped. A man got out and said: "Copperhead." Then he picked it up, held a glass jar under its fangs, and milked some venom out. "Venom," he said. I asked him what he was going to do with it. He said: "Take it back to the office and show it to everybody." Then he got in his truck with the snake and left.

Once, after an afternoon on a rock island in the middle of a mountain river, as my wife and I started back to the riverbank, I saw the head of a water moccasin protruding from behind a rock, just where she was about to step. Instinctively I grabbed her arm. Just as instinctively, she turned and ran the other way. I threw sticks at it, but it only recoiled and didn't go away. After some time, I waded through the water, some distance from the snake, carrying my wife piggyback.

Needless to say, I don't like snakes. ~S

50 posted on 05/12/2009 6:38:41 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The Left is decadence. Hubris and denial lead to tragedy. Marxism is a Fools' Paradise.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

BTW, I’ve never seen a coral snake in the wild. Have you? Anybody?


51 posted on 05/12/2009 6:40:12 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The Left is decadence. Hubris and denial lead to tragedy. Marxism is a Fools' Paradise.)
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To: spetznaz

I read somewhere once where black mambas were used as murder weapons. You take a female, pulverize her girl bits with oil, then drip a track up into your victim’s bed.

The male will follow it and kill your NBFF when he wakes up to deal with the snake.


52 posted on 05/12/2009 6:55:08 AM PDT by txhurl (fish are fixin' to fear me....)
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To: wolfcreek

The events occurred in daylight. Aren’t rattlesnakes nocturnal?


53 posted on 05/12/2009 7:02:51 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Crucify ! Crucify ! Crucify him!!)
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To: Eaker

Can you post the reasons you’re sure it was a moc please Sir?

Cause I would have collected that snake based on what I’ve read about it.

I’m a fan of anything blue: chickens, dogs, birds, bugs.


54 posted on 05/12/2009 7:03:14 AM PDT by txhurl (fish are fixin' to fear me....)
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To: Savage Beast
Yep, all the time. go turn over some logs. You'll find some look alike King snakes too. Coral snakes aren't much danger unless you do something stupid, they have rear fangs in a small mouth, and don't strike like the vipers do.

Just pay attention.

55 posted on 05/12/2009 8:05:36 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: bert

There is no firm rule, they may move around at any time.


56 posted on 05/12/2009 8:14:39 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: txhurl

Most of the “mocs” that get killed turn out to be harmless Brown Banded Water snakes or some other harmless variety. Snakes seem to have the power to turn usually rational people into blithering idiots.


57 posted on 05/12/2009 8:19:28 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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To: bert

Here in central Texas I’ve seen them day and night.


58 posted on 05/12/2009 9:11:07 AM PDT by wolfcreek ("unnamed "right-wing extremist")
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
Thanks for the response. This reminds me of True Evil--a page turner by highly intelligent Greg Iles. ("True evil has a face you know and a voice you trust.") The killer knows snakes, finds a coral snake--under or near a log, if I remember correctly--and uses it as a murder weapon. I can't put Greg's books down.
59 posted on 05/13/2009 6:42:27 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The Left is decadence. Hubris and denial lead to tragedy. Marxism is a Fools' Paradise.)
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To: Savage Beast

Coral snakes are shy and secretive, and non aggressive, you really have to screw up bad to get one to bite you.


60 posted on 05/13/2009 9:05:57 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (THE SECOND AMENDMENT, A MATTER OF FACT, NOT A MATTER OF OPINION)
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