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Cheers!
1 posted on 05/04/2009 10:17:08 PM PDT by grey_whiskers
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To: grey_whiskers
One has to keep in mind the double standard held against the Church, that if they are lacking in appearances, it means they are incompetent and therefore fools

I think that's a bit of victimhood that doesn't really apply. Who cares if outsiders think church services aren't up to snuff in terms of "style"? No Catholic I know. Each religion or group has its own standards for what's right, and claiming outsiders will say they're cheap shouldn't even be a consideration. Seriously, who cares what style-conscious jerks think? Believers shouldn't be even thinking about this.

2 posted on 05/04/2009 10:23:13 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: grey_whiskers
Nicely written.

All of these events, purely secular in purpose and execution, have far more pomp -- more solemnity -- more *verve*, than the Catholic Mass. And not by accident,

Indeed. Like it or not, we must admit flash attracts people sometimes, even to a church. I was raised Catholic, and, yes, I remember Protestants criticizing our church for what they considered expensive displays. But, in visiting Protestant churches today, I'm noticing there's a lot of money being invested into "community centers" complete with gyms and recreation rooms, etc. In many ways, church is like a business, too. I hope I'm not flamed for saying so, but that's how I see it.

5 posted on 05/04/2009 10:40:29 PM PDT by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: grey_whiskers
You said it yourself:

"Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. 9"All this I will give you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me." 10Jesus said to him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.'"

Yet you ask to be given "heavenly choirs."

God is a vibrant and fantastic force, a giver of peace and joy, but much of our day to day, minute to minute service to Him is through discipline, solemnity, right action without feeling, feeling, feeling or thinking, thinking, thinking. You ask to be entertained. To be inspired I assume. God inspires from within when we do as He asks of us. You have read your bible. Do you pray the rosary, take communion, meditate, fast? If you did all of these things daily you would better understand that you were the one asking for pomp and circumstance and to be entertained and Ironically ended your vanity with a biblical passage that asked only one thing and that is to be wary of temptations of satan and of the earth and serve only God. Make shift. Make shift. He will decide from your make shift service what pleasures He shall give you from that. Try it sometime. It is divine.

6 posted on 05/04/2009 10:44:16 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: grey_whiskers

This might be long and it may be boring, so you might want to just skip it and move to the next post.

Just this past Saturday I had occasion to attend a Catholic mass.

My oldest granddaughter (10 years old) was to receive her first Communion. She has been attending Catholic school for almost 2 years. My son had invited me. Others in my family had insisted that I be there, unless I was in a hospital and near certain death.

I sure wasn’t going to let my little girl down on this very special day, so I was even 30 minutes early. I have been 8 minutes late to almost everything in life, so even this was a shocker for everyone.

Watching her in this ceremony was truly worth it. It was a beautiful moment, and I was forced to see it through tear filled eyes.

We had recieved permission to take photographs, but I finally had to turn that duty over to my Bride, because I just couldn’t focuss through those darn wet eyes.

While it was truly moving to watch the very moment that she received the Body of Christ, it was when she turned toward me with her little hands folded and a very beautiful, peaceful, loving and proud smile. She look into my eyes and I almost lost it. She had been my little girl, but at that exact moment, I think I saw an angel. She looked like an angel. Of course she’s always been an angel in my eyes, but there was something special about her that day.

I felt a strong desire to receive Communion, but I had not been to confession, so I couldn’t.

Okay, here’s a few admissions and observations, maybe even some disappointments.

This was the first time that I have walked into a Roman Catholic church in about 45 years. It was a very good experience and I wouldn’t have wanted to miss it for the world, but it came with a very sobering realization that so much has changed and some of it I didn’t like, or maybe I should say understand.

You see, I had attended Catholic school as a child and this just didn’t seem like the same kind of church. Perhaps I would have felt differently had I changed with the church.... I am not sure.

The dress code has changed, it’s much more relaxed, I think that was a good thing.

I didn’t see any nuns and I was told that this church didn’t have any. Even the teachers aren’t nuns.

I was surprised to see people that other than the priest helping him hand out Communion.

What’s with the wine drinking, we never had that! Only the priest did that in my day.

I didn’t enjoy learning latin as a kid, but I got used to it, and I simply must say, the mass was missing when done in Engllish.... it just didn’t feel like mass to me.

When the priest took to the podium, I had expected to hear words of celebration about these young folks that had just received their first Communion. That was hardly even mentioned and it was only in passing when he did bother to bring it up.

Most of what the priest had to say was a long story about sheep and shepherds..... that worked it’s way into asking for money, being sure to give more than 10% if you could— because if you could— you were supposed to, and instructing any folks that were new to the church on how to fill out the identifying information on the envelop provided for the offering. AND THEN, he explained that we could use a debit card.... A CREDIT CARD!!....a credit card in church... that one amazed me and it also made me feel disappointed in where the church has gone.

This is already too long, so I’ll shut up and leave out the moral to the story, if there even is one.


9 posted on 05/05/2009 12:27:02 AM PDT by Gator113 (Temporally out of order.....)
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To: grey_whiskers
the Basilica of St. Mary's, in Minneapolis, Minnesota, this evening. I had been told that this basilica is the oldest one in the United States,

Yep, that's what their website says too. And that kind of shocked surprises me.

Considering all the Irish and German Catholics who emigrated to the US and settled in big cities like NY, Chi and Boston, one would *think* the first 'basilica' would be in one of those places, not Minneapolis (1).

Proves you learn something new every day :-)

(1) Basilicas are rare, not any church can be one. In my old hood in Chi there was one Basilica (wasn't my parish though) and another was in the Italian 'Taylor Street' area (not too far away by car).

12 posted on 05/05/2009 8:03:57 AM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits)
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