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UFO or not UFO? Area 51 declassifying pours cold water on theory..
The Tech Herald ^ | April 12th, 2009 | Rich Bowden

Posted on 04/13/2009 11:39:11 AM PDT by TaraP

A former engineer at the top secret airfield "Area 51" in Nevada has spoken out about UFO sightings in the region in the 1960s, saying the witnessed flashes of light were part of top secret US aircraft experiments.

In an interview with ABC News, Thornton "T.D." Barnes, 72, a former special-projects engineer at Area 51 said: "No one really knew we existed. Even our wives didn't know where we were going when we left Monday morning and came back Friday evening."

Barnes was an electronics engineer for NASA who also specialised in advance radar and Soviet MiG fighter aircraft and was asked to join a team of CIA experts who would work on secret military projects at the infamous base.

UFO folklore has it that Area 51, about 80 miles north northwest of Las Vegas, is where captured aliens and their spacecraft have been stored by the US military. The conspiracy theory comes in part because of the preponderance of strange, unaccounted for lights that have been seen in the region of the top secret military base.

However Barnes poured cold water on the theory saying the "alien spaceships" were in fact light flashes from top secret spy planes being flown at 2,000 miles per hour at altitudes of 90,000 feet.

The experimental planes produced light flashes that some interpreted as alien spaceships and this was considered helpful by the team in covering their activities.

"We considered it to be a bonus," said Barnes. "They made it easier to conceal what we were doing."

However some ufologists have said the area has only been partly declassified and UFO work at the base may well have carried out though in a region unknown to engineers such as Barnes.

"Those guys who came forward may very well be telling the truth, with the caveat that they wouldn't know if there was something going on," said Stanton T. Friedman, a nuclear physicist, lecturer and top UFO researcher.

Friedman added that evidence coming out of places such as Area 51 proved how much was going on in the country without peoples' knowledge.

"National security has a real place in all of this stuff. There is no way to tell your friends without telling your enemies," he said. "A lot of Americans woke up to the fact that there's a lot going on that they don't get told about."


TOPICS: Conspiracy; UFO's
KEYWORDS: aatip; area51; fringe; mystery; ohsomysteriouso; uap; ufo; ufos; usaf
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To: marbren

Constants are OK. Constants are the building block of science, it’s hard to build discoveries on things that change for no good reason.


421 posted on 04/14/2009 2:16:43 PM PDT by razorboy
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To: stockpirate
razorboy,
no one cares
if you think they exist or not,
it means nothing to anyone here
what you may believe.
We are here
to discuss
what we find,
not argue with morons
as to what is real or not.

INDEED TO THE MAX!
THX.

422 posted on 04/14/2009 2:18:31 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: razorboy

You know far far far less about my mind than the microscopic amounts you may know about the UFO field.


423 posted on 04/14/2009 2:19:34 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TaraP

Well put.


424 posted on 04/14/2009 2:20:17 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: razorboy

He is dead....So you think Corsi, Astronauts such as Buzz Aldrin, Neil Armstrong are just a bunch of liars? Do you think the Military or NASA would bring on a bunch of psychopaths that wanted to make money by plotting an
*Alien Controversy*????????

The Government is full of secrets....Top Secret..Top Security.
That is what the government does....


425 posted on 04/14/2009 2:20:48 PM PDT by TaraP (The RAPTURE: Separation of Church and State)
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To: razorboy

No . . . under circumstances demanded by naysayers.


426 posted on 04/14/2009 2:20:55 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: razorboy
I am not sure if it is constant, or not. It is off subject from the vicious circle you and Quix are in. I have been reading Quix’s comments for years. The basic standard or “constant” Quix uses is God's word.
427 posted on 04/14/2009 2:21:45 PM PDT by marbren
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To: TaraP

Plenty true.

Welcome back. Sorry for your computer troubles.

I hate those.


428 posted on 04/14/2009 2:23:23 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Exactly...People might have their personal opinions about most anything, but so what?

The Facts are the Facts....

So many people think when they say *Well I don’t believe that* that it suppose to mean some type of Gospel Truth???
It’s ridiculous.


429 posted on 04/14/2009 2:24:52 PM PDT by TaraP (The RAPTURE: Separation of Church and State)
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To: marbren

Try to look beyond preconceived notions.


Now now, marbren . . .

we have to be compassionate.

When naysayers try to look beyond preconceived notions,

they . . .

—break out in hives;
—suffer panic attacks;
—get terminal appoplexy;
—turn to a mass of gibbering protoplasm;
—rend their clothes and run around naked screaming in public parks ranting about “The Sky is GREEN!” “THE SKY IS GREEN!”
—. . .


430 posted on 04/14/2009 2:26:20 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Quix

Me too..I deleted my browsing history instead of my cookies, and I had to find my way back to each site!

Painful but I did it! :)


431 posted on 04/14/2009 2:26:47 PM PDT by TaraP (The RAPTURE: Separation of Church and State)
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To: TaraP

MUCH AGREE.


432 posted on 04/14/2009 2:26:48 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TaraP

The only standard “constant” we have is God’s word. Who knows maybe even the speed of light is not constant.


433 posted on 04/14/2009 2:27:12 PM PDT by marbren
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To: Travis T. OJustice

Somehow, I’m still able to be shocked by such wholesale

WRONG

assertions on your part.

Amazing.


434 posted on 04/14/2009 2:28:15 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TaraP

WOW.

Congrats on your fixing it all!


435 posted on 04/14/2009 2:28:59 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TaraP

Ridiculous, indeed.


436 posted on 04/14/2009 2:29:31 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: TaraP

I’m not even sure Corsi ever existed. You guys can’t seem to decide if it’s “Corsi” or “Corrsi” or “Corso”. As for Buzz and Neil they never said they saw aliens, you put forth text of them saying they saw something weird, but then I put forth text of them discussing distortion of their optics causing this weird thing to dramatically change appearance depending on how they had their sextant setup.

The government is full of secrets. That doesn’t prove anything on this topic. That’s classic circular reasoning, just because the government keeps secrets doesn’t mean they’re keeping aliens secret, first you have to prove there are aliens, and they’ve been here.


437 posted on 04/14/2009 2:30:09 PM PDT by razorboy
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To: marbren

Thanks tons.

Glad someone noticed! LOL.

BLESSED BE THE NAME AND WORD OF THE LORD.


438 posted on 04/14/2009 2:30:18 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: marbren

INDEED.

AND I’m convinced that in our era . . . satan and his forces are going to do everything they can to turn

“reality”

inside out and upside down . . . to confuse, disorient, delude and trap as many humans toward hell with them, that they can.

IT WILL BE CRUCIAL TO KNOW GOD’S WORD AND GOD HIMSELF QUITE INTIMATELY.


439 posted on 04/14/2009 2:32:26 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: marbren

God’s word is great for a lot of stuff. The problem is none of the examples of God’s word we have access to have Him going into any serious depth on things like physics, space travel, genetics, or a lot of other big things we deal with related to this and many other topics. Can’t say I blame Him, most of the God’s word we have is from thousands of years ago and would have just confused people if He got into those topics back then. Which is why we have to figure out a lot of these constants on our own.


440 posted on 04/14/2009 2:34:12 PM PDT by razorboy
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