Posted on 04/13/2009 11:39:11 AM PDT by TaraP
A former engineer at the top secret airfield "Area 51" in Nevada has spoken out about UFO sightings in the region in the 1960s, saying the witnessed flashes of light were part of top secret US aircraft experiments.
In an interview with ABC News, Thornton "T.D." Barnes, 72, a former special-projects engineer at Area 51 said: "No one really knew we existed. Even our wives didn't know where we were going when we left Monday morning and came back Friday evening."
Barnes was an electronics engineer for NASA who also specialised in advance radar and Soviet MiG fighter aircraft and was asked to join a team of CIA experts who would work on secret military projects at the infamous base.
UFO folklore has it that Area 51, about 80 miles north northwest of Las Vegas, is where captured aliens and their spacecraft have been stored by the US military. The conspiracy theory comes in part because of the preponderance of strange, unaccounted for lights that have been seen in the region of the top secret military base.
However Barnes poured cold water on the theory saying the "alien spaceships" were in fact light flashes from top secret spy planes being flown at 2,000 miles per hour at altitudes of 90,000 feet.
The experimental planes produced light flashes that some interpreted as alien spaceships and this was considered helpful by the team in covering their activities.
"We considered it to be a bonus," said Barnes. "They made it easier to conceal what we were doing."
However some ufologists have said the area has only been partly declassified and UFO work at the base may well have carried out though in a region unknown to engineers such as Barnes.
"Those guys who came forward may very well be telling the truth, with the caveat that they wouldn't know if there was something going on," said Stanton T. Friedman, a nuclear physicist, lecturer and top UFO researcher.
Friedman added that evidence coming out of places such as Area 51 proved how much was going on in the country without peoples' knowledge.
"National security has a real place in all of this stuff. There is no way to tell your friends without telling your enemies," he said. "A lot of Americans woke up to the fact that there's a lot going on that they don't get told about."
However, I will say preliminarily . . .
I’m quite used to naysayers INSIST that they’ve never insulted me or others hereon
when the proof is in their posting that they have done so outrageously. Curious disconnect there.
I hope that’s not the case with you.
If you won’t put forth proof why even bother to have the discussion.
I long ago gave up the delusion
that
discussion, authentic discussion
was
POSSIBLE
with most naysayers.
you keep saying that, yet you never bother to put forth anything. I ask and I ask and I ask and yet you refuse to put forth ANY fact at all.
Seems to be that you’re the person that it’s impossible to have authentic discussion with.
I hope MOST naysayers feel that way.
Actually
a relatively small percentage of UFO books make any great profit.
So far, it looks like you may be right . . . I tended to lump you in with the others . . . perhaps because of tone or attitude or stance . . .
though you haven’t personally attacked anyone.
Sorry for my guilt by association classification.
Sorry for the delay Quix..Computer Problems this morning!
I have something to say about what Jesus said and emphasized..He said in the Last Days..Deception would run amok! He wanted us to be aware and on guard not to be *Deceived* Could *Greys* been the one to decieve the people at Roswell? according to Corsi yes and no... They did not know if these Alien beings were here to do harm or good, yet they took there technology and ran with it....
We have benefited from that technology as well.
However Human beings..Wolves dressed in Sheep’s clothing are suspect...We have to evaluate what they say, their actions...*By there fruits we shall know them* they are in the pulpits and in the GLobal Political Arena..
I believe these are they hybrids/demons that out to deceive the world...
This is who I think Jesus is referring to in the Last Days.
The Days of Noah we are living in.
Sorry razorboy according to Corsi it is ALien Technology..
Why would he lie? he was not riding the short bus to Area 51, he was very well respected.
Angels do not need spaceships...Maybe the demons lost there wings when they were thrown out of heaven..The Angels still have their’s
It’s not a feeling, it’s the truth. You’ve got over 100 posts on this thread, most of them include a refusal by you to put forth any information.
You refuse to discuss it. And as your pathetic excuse you label anybody that asks a question a naysayer. Nothing but assumptions, insults and refusals.
We now know the truth. You FEAR discussion, anything that resembles discussion you insult and shout down, you declare the person a “naysayer” and refuse to put forth anything remotely useful into the conversation. You are EXACTLY what you accuse everyone else of being, a perpetuator of bad assumptions, balderdash, and every order of logical error. You want back slapping in an echo chamber not discussion. If you wanted discussions you would have posted a fact already instead of the dozens of insults and refusals.
You’re sad really.
I think this may be a very serious disconnect.
My best guess is that MOST OF US on the UFO ping list do NOT HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT INTEREST in "proving" anything about it.
Most of us have read enough; talked to enough sources; AND A SIGNIFICANT PERCENTAGE HAVE HAD THEIR OWN EXPERIENCES AND FIRST HAND OBSERVATIONS SUFFICIENTLY to not need any more proof at all about the realities of such things.
THAT is old boring un-news.
Naysayers, therefore, and their constant pooping all over the threads . . . are annoying mosquitoes, hornets to be avoided. Too much of their presence and the thread gets avoided. Because OUR GOAL is to just discuss the various aspects of the phenomena FROM A PERSPECTIVE THAT PLENTY HAS ALREADY BEEN PROVEN.
You want to rant about proof--go to ATS.
They don’t have to make great profit. Sitting at home cranking out BS books filled with lies beats working for a living, even if they only make middle class money on it.
Why wouldn’t he lie about it? Is he actually well respected? Or is he just another guy making money on it?
razorboy, no one cares if you think they exist or not, it means nothing to anyone here what you may believe. We are here to discuss what we find, not argue with moroons as to what isreal or not.
I think your assumptions here are mostly but not totally off.
I’m convinced that about the same time the UFO stuff begins to fall nightly into laps on the evening news . . .
THERE WILL BE CONCURRENTLY plenty of other super dramatic life altering, world altering, global tyrannical government, natural disaster sorts of stuff going on as well.
Folks hearts will be failing them for fear as the Bible warns.
And now you go back to your old ways. It’s too bad, for a couple of posts there you were showing an inkling of willingness to actually be in a discussion. But now it’s right back to the flim flam colored text and shouts and the refusal to put forth any evidence.
You did just prove something though. You proved you just want these threads to be backslapping echo chambers of true believers. You proved your mind is closed, you fear your “evidence” being shown as no good.
You are wrong razorboy, as I said yesterday, when the Great Pyramids were built why didn’t other cultures learn how to build them? for cryin out loud human beings from the days of the Pyramids would of been able to benefit from those type of buildings..Yet where do you find them? Egypt, Pery Mexico the area of Ancient and Alien Influence.
Before 1947 we had technology but it was limited..
Corrsi said from the Transistor to Kevlar, to Fiber Optics, Laser came from Alien Technology not one human in the bunch..
Do you think Bell Labs, Monsanto, DOW, Lucent knew where it came from? No but did they benefit..*You betcha*!
This Technology will benefit *The One* coming the False Prophets of all False Prophets..Satan himself...
The Mark of the Beast.. The NEW WORLD ORDER will come to be because of Alien Technology...
You really need to examine the astronaut stuff in great detail. Particularly stuff published in the last 3-6 months. The older they’ve gotten, the more brazen they’ve become on the topic.
Otherwise, your assertions are just nonsense.
So far you guys aren’t even discussing what you find. See discussing what you find would involve a presentation of facts. Something your side has directly refused to do under any circumstances.
Again:
and
HTTP://WWW.ALIENRESISTANCE.ORG
Guy Malone’s panel of experts and the hours of DVD presentations and testimony are top flight.
I don’t recall if Alamo-Girl’s recommended version of the BOOK OF ENOCH is on my home page, or not.
I think Guy Malone’s websites note which one is the more credible.
Is the speed of light slowing down?
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