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1 posted on 04/10/2009 4:05:37 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
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from the article:

The cloth is kept in the Cathedral of Saint John the Baptist in Turin and will be next publicly displayed in 2010.

Dr Rogers’s video will be broadcast tomorrow in The Turin Shroud: New Evidence at 8pm on the Discovery Channel.


2 posted on 04/10/2009 4:09:35 PM PDT by angkor
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After the 1988 carbon dating Dr Rogers was adamant that the robe was nothing more than a medieval hoax.

That can't be explained (or duplicated) by modern technology!

3 posted on 04/10/2009 4:10:21 PM PDT by Cowboy Bob (http://isportsdigest.tripod.com)
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Can't go validating anything Christian, why, that just wouldn't be scientific. Good thing for Raymond Rogers, that this was released posthumously. Wonder if that was by design, by request? Did he suspect he'd face ridicule and ostracization?
4 posted on 04/10/2009 4:10:29 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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It's got to be a hoax, because its authenticity would be so easy to prove.

Forget about the image. Date the fabric. If it was from linen grown, spun and woven in 14th Cent Europe, it can't be authentic. All this takes is someone who understands textiles. And don't take your sample from the repaired patched area! Get a woman who can spin, weave and have her take a sample and give it to the scientists who can place the date of production. Linen is from the flax plant.

If the fabric is 2000 years old, you've got your relic and the source is supernatural. To have fabric that old, saved so carefully, with a mysterious graphic...?

5 posted on 04/10/2009 4:11:01 PM PDT by Mamzelle (BRING CAMERA EQUIP TO TEA PARTIES--TAPE THE DISRUPTORS)
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this is very, very interesting


8 posted on 04/10/2009 4:18:07 PM PDT by myaccount2009
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13 posted on 04/10/2009 4:23:18 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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I've followed this story for years, and it continues to madden and frustrate me. No one will stop and just study a simple history of textiles. I would love the opportunity to talk to these clueless scientists!

Twelve feet of beautifully preserved linen fabric is fascinating enough. People don't understand just how valuable fabric used to be, just a century ago. A yard of any fabric, wool in the age before machines was a staggering investment in labor and materials. When you read old wills, textiles were always mentioned as "heirlooms". Looms, weaving.

Linen is harvested by hand, pulling it up by the roots to make the fiber as long as possible. Then it must be rotted ("retted") to clean off the outer layer of fiber. Then it must be hackled, which means struck until it's soft, then combed. Finally, it's spun. The spinning wheel is a relatively modern invention, spinning in pre-medieval times was with a spindle that would look to someone like a top.

Now, to weaving--wide warps were rarer, more expensive, harder to manage. The wider the piece of fabric, the more likely it is to be either modern or a very valuable antique indeed. I've read that this length of fabric is wide (from selvedge edge to edge), and is pieced of wide sections. You need an expert to take a close look at those selvedges. Forget about the picture and claims of faith. It's right under your nose!

Remember Jesus' robe that was gambled? It had no seam, says the bible. If you know weaving, you know that it is possible to weave a garment with no seam. It is a huge undertaking, a lot of trouble. It involves having mulitiple layers of warp threads and carefully weaving "tube" shapes into the fabric.

The reason this was mentioned is that a seamless garment would be an item of high prestige, suitable for royalty.

The Bible has a lot to say about textiles, their meaning and just how much work was involved in creating a twelve-yard sheet of linen.

This is why I keep thinking it is a hoax. Surely they can't miss something so obvious. Then I read they've taken samples from the patched areas!! Well, a patch is something that could have been added on at any time. Patching was an art form, talented menders can conceal their repairs. Take samples from the selvedges.

16 posted on 04/10/2009 4:29:28 PM PDT by Mamzelle (BRING CAMERA EQUIP TO TEA PARTIES--TAPE THE DISRUPTORS)
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This appears to be an earlier posting of the UK article on the Ray Rogers Documentary on the Discovery Channel. PING!

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25 posted on 04/10/2009 11:23:31 PM PDT by Swordmaker (Remember, the proper pronunciation of IE is "AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEE!)
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Ping.


38 posted on 04/11/2009 8:59:07 AM PDT by Interesting Times (For the truth about "swift boating" see ToSetTheRecordStraight.com)
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I think it’s real.


51 posted on 03/20/2012 11:19:59 AM PDT by Coleus
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