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The Horrors of Socialized Health Care ^ | 10/23/2007 | Barry Brownstein

Posted on 04/05/2009 2:31:37 PM PDT by Signalman

Imagine a modern, first-world country where there is such a shortage of dental care that patients are reduced to pulling their own rotting teeth. This country is the United Kingdom—where ordinary citizens encounter primitive and barbaric dental care practices and experience nightmarish ordeals.

You’re probably wondering how can this be? Before we explain, please read one Scottish man’s horrifying account of dental care in Scotland.

As you read the horrors that this Scottish citizen is going through, please remember that this is a national phenomenon he is describing. See for example this news account.

The United Kingdom provides public, socialized dental care. Socialized care creates shortages and reduces both quality and the rate of innovation.

One of the most basic principles of economics is that if you reduce the price of an item or service below its market price, a shortage of that item is created. In health care, we see this phenomenon in the emergency rooms of hospitals. It is commonplace for patients who are not paying for their care to show-up in emergency rooms with illnesses that do not require emergency medical attention and frequently do not require any medical attention at all. You can wait a long time in an emergency room—there is a shortage of emergency room services.

In the United Kingdom, teeth are still routinely filled with poisonous mercury amalgams. To a citizen of the United Kingdom, innovations, like laser dentistry or one-step dental implants, would be possible only in a science fiction story.

As I read accounts of United Kingdom dental care, I felt compassion for those who go without basic necessities. Be it food, shelter, or medical care, there are still too many deprivations all over the world.

The economically illiterate believe these deprivations can be solved with more government involvement. As I read accounts of UK citizens queuing-up for substandard dental care, I remembered accounts of citizens in the former Soviet Union queuing-up for substandard food.

I thought of our own socialized educational system. We usually don’t think of it as socialized—instead, we call it public education. But the same principles operate. We pay through the tax system and then, except if you are fortunate enough to have extra income to buy your child private education, you’re forced to use the public school no matter how low the quality is.

Consider inner-city families whose public school doesn’t even provide a basic level of safety for the children. Telling the parents that they should send their children to private schools is an inconceivable possibility.

Similarly, for poor or middle class United Kingdom citizens, private dental care is just not possible. The gentleman whose account you read earlier is clearly thoughtful and caring. I have exchanged views with him on his blog and on my own. Despite all of the suffering that he is experiencing, he still seems to believe that the failures of socialized care are due to to failures in implementation. He does not see that the failure of socialized care is due to a faulty concept.

This is not unlike the former Soviet Union, where the answer to their food problems was always a new five-year plan. It is not unlike the United States, where the answer for the failures of the public schools is always seen to be more money.

In this rush toward socialized services, many imagine that they will get top-notch care while paying less than they do right now. Nothing is further from the truth. For most, the “price” will go up in many ways—new taxes to fund a new healthcare bureaucracy, shortages of services, stagnation of innovation, and reduced quality of car

TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: hillarycare; obamacare; romneycare; socializedmedicine
A relevant article in today's political climate
1 posted on 04/05/2009 2:31:38 PM PDT by Signalman
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To: Bobkk47

Americans won’t figure it out until it is too late. Your terminally ill family members are already dead.

2 posted on 04/05/2009 2:37:12 PM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: Bobkk47

I’ve often wondered how far the “productive” citizen theme would be carried out: Will children ill at birth be allowed to thrive as best they can? Or, will places like St. Jude’s close because it will be illegal to try to cure diseases if the patient will likely never be “productive?”

Will there be a maximum age to live? This leads to NO retirement because the citizen would not be productive. I’ve been thinking more and more about the movie “LOGAN’s RUN” - adults with expiration dates.

The new movie “Knowing” with nicholas cage is a thought provoker. Gives a total new thought about global warming- and it isn’t “W’s” fault!

3 posted on 04/05/2009 2:42:07 PM PDT by RebelTXRose
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To: Bobkk47
Want to die wallowing in your own filth? Vote Obamacare.
4 posted on 04/05/2009 2:49:00 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Bobkk47

The politicians and their families will retain their OWN health care plans.
They may vote for socialist health care, but only for the rest of us.

5 posted on 04/05/2009 2:53:00 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Yeah, I won’t look for Hillary standing in line at the Chappaqua free clinic.

6 posted on 04/05/2009 2:59:45 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: Bobkk47

7 posted on 04/05/2009 3:00:36 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: Bobkk47

Mitt Romney chortles as he inflicts socialized medicine (HillaryCARE=ROmneyCARE)
upon the Massachusetts citizens, without one of their votes (the ROMNEYway(TM)),
after spending years inviting illegal aliens to fill the Commonwealth from Pittsfield to Chatham.
Mitt Romney delivered HillaryCARE to the DNC for them and his socialist masters.

"National Health Preview - The Massachusetts debacle, coming soon to your neighborhood."
"Three years ago, the former Massachusetts Governor had the inadvertent good sense to create the "universal" health-care program that the White House and Congress now want to inflict on the entire country.
It is proving to be instructive, as Mr. Romney's foresight previews what President Obama, Max Baucus, Ted Kennedy and Pete Stark are cooking up for everyone else.
In Massachusetts's latest crisis, Governor Deval Patrick and his Democratic colleagues are starting to move down the path that government health plans always follow when spending collides with reality -- i.e., price controls.
As costs continue to rise, the inevitable results are coverage restrictions and waiting periods. It was only a matter of time.

They're trying to manage the huge costs of the subsidized middle-class insurance program that is gradually swallowing the state budget.
The program provides low- or no-cost coverage to about 165,000 residents, or three-fifths of the newly insured, and is budgeted at $880 million for 2010, a 7.3% single-year increase that is likely to be optimistic.
The state's overall costs on health programs have increased by 42% (!) since 2006.

What really whipped along RomneyCare were claims that health care would be less expensive if everyone were covered.
But reducing costs while increasing access are irreconcilable issues.
Mr. Romney should have known better before signing on to this not-so-grand experiment, especially since the state's "free market" reforms that he boasts about have proven to be irrelevant when not fictional.
Only 21,000 people have used the "connector" that was supposed to link individuals to private insurers."

A Very Sick Health Plan; Bay State’s ‘Grand Experiment’ Fails [RomneyCare]
"The Daily News Record, Harrisonburg, Va. - 2009-03-31 "
"For folks increasingly leery of President Obama’s plan to radically overhaul America’s health-care system,
or 17 percent of the nation’s economy, all this could hardly have come at a better time —
that is, fiscal troubles aplenty within Repubican Mitt Romney’s brainchild, Massachusetts’ “grand experiment” in “universal” health care."

"Initiated on Mr. Romney’s gubernatorial watch in 2006, this “experiment” has fallen on hard times, and predictably so.
Even though the Bay State commenced its program with a far smaller percentage of uninsured residents than exists nationwide,
“RomneyCare” is threatening to bankrupt the state. Budgeted for Fiscal Year 2010 at $880 million,
or 7.3 percent more than a year ago, this plan, aimed at providing low- or no-cost health coverage to roughly 165,000 residents,
has caused Massachusetts’ overall expenditures on all health-related programs to jump an astounding 42 percent since 2006.

So what does Mr. Romney’s successor, Democratic Gov. Deval Patrick, propose as a remedy for these skyrocketing costs?
Well, whaddya think? The standard litany of prescriptions (no pun intended) — price controls and spending caps, for a start, and then, again predictably, waiting periods and limitations on coverage.
As in Europe and Canada, so too in Massachusetts. And, we feel certain, everyone from Mr. Romney to Mr. Patrick said, “It would never happen here.”
But then, such things are inevitable when best-laid plans, with all their monstrous costs, run smack-dab into fiscal reality.

"Hospital patients 'left in agony'"
"Patients were allegedly left screaming in pain and drinking from flower vases on a nightmare hospital ward.
Between 400 and 1,200 more people died than would have been expected at Mid Staffordshire NHS Foundation Trust over three years, a damning Healthcare Commission report said.
The watchdog's investigation found inadequately trained staff who were too few in number, junior doctors left alone in charge at night and patients left without food, drink or medication as their operations were repeatedly cancelled.
Patients were left in pain or forced to sit in soiled bedding for hours at a time and were not given their regular medication, the Commission heard.
Receptionists with no medical training were expected to assess patients coming in to A&E, some of whom needed urgent care.
Sir Bruce Keogh, medical director of the NHS, said there had been a "gross and terrible breach" of patients' trust and a "complete failure of leadership".
The Healthcare Commission's chairman Sir Ian Kennedy said the investigation followed concerns about a higher than normal death rate at the Trust, which senior managers could not explain.
He said: "The resulting report is a shocking story. Our report tells a story of appalling standards of care and chaotic systems for looking after patients. These are words I have not previously used in any report.
"There were inadequacies in almost every stage of caring for patients. There was no doubt that patients will have suffered and some of them will have died as a result."
Julie Bailey, 47, was so concerned about the care being given to her 86-year-old mother Bella at Stafford Hospital that she and her relatives slept in a chair at her bedside for eight weeks.
She said: "We saw patients drinking out of..."

8 posted on 04/05/2009 3:35:28 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: RebelTXRose

I worry about that as well. Was born 12 weeks early, 2 lb 14 ounces. I’m healthy and productive, but the prognosis 30 years ago was far grimmer, given the state of neonatal care then.

I understand not seeking drastic action, as in those children that would not live without extensive intervention and who will never truly live. There are times that parents need to let go.

However, I have often had to inform individuals that if their strict criteria were in place, I would not be here.

9 posted on 04/05/2009 4:19:40 PM PDT by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on
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To: Bobkk47

This is what was being discussed in 1961

10 posted on 04/06/2009 4:46:56 AM PDT by Gordon Pym
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To: Bobkk47
we see this phenomenon in the emergency rooms of hospitals. It is commonplace for patients who are not paying for their care to show-up in emergency rooms with illnesses that do not require emergency medical attention and frequently do not require any medical attention at all.

This happens all the time in California by illegals taking advantage of the free medical care they get thru the program called "mediCAL".

I know a woman who takes one or both of her kids to the doctor about once a week. And the doctors always seem to find something wrong. One time she was afraid her son had cancer. One doctor had scared her by telling her it was a possibility. Another doctor was getting so annoyed by the frequency of her visits that he sent her to Stanford Childrens Hospital for her son to be evaluated. I took her there. There in the waiting room were kids and babies that HAD cancer. And her son was playing in the waiting room and looking at books while these truly sick kids and babies were sitting down quietly and obviously sick. Some had no hair. I could see right away that she was ashamed.

11 posted on 04/06/2009 5:21:28 AM PDT by uncitizen
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To: long hard slogger; FormerACLUmember; Harrius Magnus; hocndoc; parousia; Hydroshock; skippermd; ...

Socialized Medicine aka Universal Health Care PING LIST

FReepmail me if you want to be added to or removed from this ping list.

12 posted on 04/07/2009 2:18:38 PM PDT by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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