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The Coming Democratic Civil War
The Daily Beast ^ | 03/27/09 | John Avlon

Posted on 03/27/2009 12:54:34 PM PDT by Big_Monkey

Control of the president’s liberal-leaning agenda has been snatched by centrist Democrats in the Senate. They may just save his presidency.

The most important debate in Washington today isn’t happening between Democrats and Republicans—it’s happening between centrist Democrats and liberal Democrats. Not just the budget, but control of congress in the 2010 elections could hang in the balance.

Late last week, 16 Democratic senators declared independence by forming a new centrist caucus. Led by Indiana’s Evan Bayh, Arkansas’ Blanche Lincoln and Delaware’s Tom Carper, the group includes senators from every region and some of the party’s rising stars, including Virginia’s Mark Warner and Missouri’s Claire McCaskill. Together, their numbers are more than sufficient to deny liberals a rubber-stamp majority in the Senate. The center is flexing its muscle and now holds the balance of power.

The group quickly came under fire from both the netroots and old-line liberals as a traitorous “over-class” challenge to the Obama agenda because of its focus on fiscal responsibility. The centrists answered in a mission-statement in a Washington Post op-ed:

(Excerpt) Read more at thedailybeast.com ...


TOPICS: Chit/Chat
KEYWORDS: 111th; bho2009; centrist; congress; democratcongress; democratic; democrats; liberal; obama; senate
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I hope this is true. Maybe what the GOP needs is a little (or a lot) Democrat in-fighting to stop their own circular fire squad.

The best thing for the GOP is if Barry bucks this alleged Senatorial centrist group and goes "great guns" with the progressive, liberal agenda that is his own self-identity.

1 posted on 03/27/2009 12:54:35 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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Centrist Democrats in the Senate = Any Democrat to the right of Lenin


2 posted on 03/27/2009 1:03:21 PM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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"...The Coming Democratic Civil War..."

Dumb headline alert!

First: there is nothing democratic about the democrat party. They are Marxist crooks and thieves.

Second: War is never 'civil', if it's done right.

;-)

3 posted on 03/27/2009 1:04:06 PM PDT by Islander7 (If you want to anger conservatives, lie to them. If you want to anger liberals, tell them the truth.)
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These 16 Democratic Senators are worried about getting reelected. If they get saddled with the Obama agenda around their necks, they will lose and they know it.


4 posted on 03/27/2009 1:04:19 PM PDT by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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The Blue Dogs are being pushed too far. They must decide either to rebel against the Liberals or they must become Republicans.


5 posted on 03/27/2009 1:05:36 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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These “moderate” Dems are masters at coming across rhetorically as moderate libertarian-conservatives, but then whenever a truly important vote comes along (like the banker bailout), they vote with the liberals.

They’re political scam artists, plain and simple. They’re the Democratic party equivalent of the GOP RINOs.


6 posted on 03/27/2009 1:05:53 PM PDT by Swing_Thought (Become a free market capitalist. Accept no substitutes.)
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They’re the Democratic party equivalent of the GOP RINOs.

I agree. All RINOs and Blue Dogs should leave their respective parties and form the Moderate Party. At least, then they would be honest.

7 posted on 03/27/2009 1:08:21 PM PDT by Repeal 16-17 (Let me know when the Shooting starts.)
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I think there are a lot of people in Congress that voted for the bailout because they felt like it “had to pass”. But many of them are facing radical legislation that they will not support. I think there is a segment of Democrat Congress that are very left and want to take us over the cliff. There are many other Democrats that will say enough is enough.


8 posted on 03/27/2009 1:10:06 PM PDT by Free America52 (I just want it to be the way it always has been.)
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The country is, and has for twenty years, been a center-right country. The moderates in both parties are typically center or center right. They know that center-right is the most politically viable position in this country.

Democrats get elected by sounding like centrists. These guys know that with Obama, the public is finally seeing the Democratic party as hard left, which is a kiss of death on the national stage. They’re triangulating their way away from him. Bill Clinton did the same thing in 1996 after the Dems lost so badly in 1994. He was much more moderate from 1994-2000.


9 posted on 03/27/2009 1:12:30 PM PDT by Terabitten (To all RINOs: You're expendable. Sarah isn't.)
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Control of the president’s liberal-leaning agenda has been snatched by centrist Democrats in the Senate. They may just save his presidency

Too bad the GOP members did not do this for Bush.

10 posted on 03/27/2009 1:13:32 PM PDT by ex-snook ( "Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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Late last week, 16 Democratic senators declared independence by forming a new centrist caucus...the group includes...some of the party’s rising stars, including...Missouri’s Claire McCaskill.

I don't know about the rest, but McCaskill is NOT a rising star. And she isn't an intellectual giant. She is among the most dense of all freshmen senators.

And I wouldn't be surprised if she is a mole for Hussein in that group.

11 posted on 03/27/2009 1:13:36 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm SO glad I no longer belong to the party of Dependence on Government!)
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Actually, I would not mind a totally liberal agenda coming from all the democrats. Pelosi, Reid, et al. should clamp down hard on these separatists and lock them up in the doghouse to show them who's the boss.

Only then, can we undo all the bad policies that the liberals have foisted upon the republic.

12 posted on 03/27/2009 1:16:00 PM PDT by Frohickey
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Control of the president’s liberal-leaning agenda has been snatched by centrist Democrats in the Senate. They may just save his presidency
“Too bad the GOP members did not do this for Bush.”

Bush was moderate enough. He needed conservative Republicans in the Senate to rescue his milquetoast moderate administration.

The problem with being “middle of the road” is that you get hit by traffic going both ways.

13 posted on 03/27/2009 1:18:44 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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I thought this was an interesting quote from the article:

“Exit polls in 2008 showed that 44 percent of American voters are self-described moderates, while 34 percent call themselves conservatives and 22 percent describe themselves as liberal.”

Then why are we allowing the 22% to do their power grab?


14 posted on 03/27/2009 1:19:11 PM PDT by Free America52 (I just want it to be the way it always has been.)
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I think there are a lot of people in Congress that voted for the bailout because they felt like it “had to pass”. But many of them are facing radical legislation that they will not support. I think there is a segment of Democrat Congress that are very left and want to take us over the cliff. There are many other Democrats that will say enough is enough.

Acknowledged, but your definition of radical must be quite a bit different than mine. The legislation these guys have supported thus far is way beyond "radical" in my book.

15 posted on 03/27/2009 1:22:19 PM PDT by Swing_Thought (Become a free market capitalist. Accept no substitutes.)
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"...but McCaskill is NOT a rising star. And she isn't an intellectual giant. She is among the most dense of all freshmen senators. "

I was surprised to see her on that list as well. She certainly hasn't been bashful about her FAR left leanings up to this point. I'm not sure how she campaigned, as I'm not from Missouri. But she's certainly voted with the extreme left-wing of her party.

Plus, she's not due for re-election for several more years. I can't imagine why she feels the need to tack back to the center now. I think the idea of an Obama plant is just a reasonable explanation as anything else.

16 posted on 03/27/2009 1:23:42 PM PDT by Big_Monkey
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“I think there are a lot of people in Congress that voted for the bailout because they felt like it “had to pass”. But many of them are facing radical legislation that they will not support. I think there is a segment of Democrat Congress that are very left and want to take us over the cliff. There are many other Democrats that will say enough is enough.”

I wish I could agree with you. But, unfortunately, the Republicans are barely standing up and they are supposed to be to the right of center. I don’t trust those who are only slightly left of center to risk experiencing the Dem party wrath by making a stand.

But I will continue to pray for it.


17 posted on 03/27/2009 1:25:57 PM PDT by KarenMarie
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I'm not sure how she campaigned, as I'm not from Missouri.

Hell, even that idiot from Atlanta, Cynthia McKinney, campaigns as a big supporter of the military.

18 posted on 03/27/2009 1:26:13 PM PDT by Terabitten (To all RINOs: You're expendable. Sarah isn't.)
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It was called triangulation in the Clinton years. Get the opposition party to split its votes.


19 posted on 03/27/2009 1:29:02 PM PDT by yazoo
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Nonsense. they’ll stick together. They always do.


20 posted on 03/27/2009 1:33:10 PM PDT by wny
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