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NCAA TOURNAMENT – Final Four Set (3/18/39)
Microfiche-New York Times archives, McHenry Library, U.C. Santa Cruz | 3/18/39 | Associated Press

Posted on 03/18/2009 6:06:12 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson

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1 posted on 03/18/2009 6:06:13 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Was it Oklahoma or Oklahoma A&M (now Oklahoma St)? I thought Oklahoma made the final four in 1939.


2 posted on 03/18/2009 6:09:35 AM PDT by Perdogg (The difference between Madoff and the US Congress is about a trillion dollars)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
What a deal! Win one game and you’re in the Final Four. I don’t know what happened in the West regional games. The Times only covered the East.

Meanwhile, back in Europe -

On March 16. Hitler took Slovakia too under his benevolent protection in response to a "telegram," actually composed in Berlin, as we have seen, from Premier Tiso. German troops quickly entered Slovakia to do the "protecting." On March 18, Hitler was in Vienna to approve the "Treaty of Protection," which, as signed on March 23 in Berlin by Ribbentrop and Dr, Tuka, contained a secret protocol giving Germany exclusive rights to exploit the Slovak economy.

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[O]n March 18, when the British and French governments, in deference to outraged public opinion at home, finally got around to making formal protests to the Reich, Weizsaecker fairly outdid his master, Ribbentrop, in his insolence—again on his own evidence. In a memorandum found in the German Foreign Office files, he tells with evident glee how he refused even to accept the formal French note of protest.

I immediately replaced the Note in its envelope and thrust it back at the Ambassador with the remark that I categorically refused to accept from him any protest regarding the Czecho-Slovak affair. Nor would I take note of the communication, and I would advise M. Coulondre to urge his government to revise the draft . . .

Coulondre, unlike Henderson at this period, was not an envoy who could be browbeaten by the Germans. He retorted that his government's note had been written after due consideration and that he had no intention of asking for it to be revised. When the State Secretary continued to refuse to accept the document, the ambassador reminded him of common diplomatic practice and insisted that France had a perfect right to make known its views to the German government. Finally Weizsaecker, according to his own account, left the note lying on his desk, explaining that he "would regard it as transmitted to us through the post." But before he arrived at this impudent gesture, he got the following off his mind:

From the legal point of view there existed a Declaration which had come about between the Fuehrer and the President of the Czecho-Slovak State. The Czech President, at his own request, had come to Berlin and had then immediately declared that he wished to place the fate of his country in the Fuehrer's hands. I could not imagine that the French Government were more Catholic than the Pope and intended meddling in things which had been duly settled between Berlin and Prague.

Weizsaecker behaved quite differently to the accommodating British ambassador, who transmitted his government's protest late on the afternoon of March 18. Great Britain now held that it could not "but regard the events of the past few days as a complete repudiation of the Munich Agreement" and that the "German military actions" were "devoid of any basis of legality." Weizsaecker, in recording it, noted that the British note did not go as far in this respect as the French protest, which said that France "would not recognize the legality of the German occupation."

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This was an abrupt and fateful turning point for Chamberlain and for Britain, and Hitler was so warned the very next day by the astute German ambassador in London. "It would be wrong," Herbert von Dirksen notified the German Foreign Office in a lengthy report on March 18, "to cherish any illusions that a fundamental change has not taken place in Britain's attitude to Germany."

It was obvious to anyone who had read Mein Kampf, who glanced at a map and saw the new positions of the German Army in Slovakia, who had wind of certain German diplomatic moves since Munich, or who had pondered the dynamics of Hitler's bloodless conquests of Austria and Czechoslovakia in the past twelve months, just which of the "small states" would be next on the Fuehrer's list. Chamberlain, like almost everyone else, knew perfectly well.

William L. Shirer, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich

3 posted on 03/18/2009 6:09:47 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: fredhead; r9etb; PzLdr; dfwgator; Paisan; From many - one.; rockinqsranch; GRRRRR; 2banana; ...

Ping. Update at #3.


4 posted on 03/18/2009 6:12:34 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Perdogg
Was it Oklahoma or Oklahoma A&M (now Oklahoma St)?

I couldn't find any coverage of the West regional games I had to look those teams up on the internet. I'm pretty sure the site I used (whose name is not welcome here) said it was Oklahoma State.

5 posted on 03/18/2009 6:15:22 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

USA today and Wikipedia says it was Oklahoma. Oklahoma St at the time was called Oklahoma A&M.


6 posted on 03/18/2009 6:16:47 AM PDT by Perdogg (The difference between Madoff and the US Congress is about a trillion dollars)
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To: Perdogg

You are right. I will correct the brackets for tomorrow’s update.


7 posted on 03/18/2009 6:21:22 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Somethings never change! Seems like the East is all that matters even today.

GO MEMPHIS!!!!


8 posted on 03/18/2009 6:29:47 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (GO MEMPHIS TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Looks like my bracket is holding up so far!


9 posted on 03/18/2009 7:00:51 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson
Here's Coulondre's communique's to Paris on this matter.

M. COULONDRE, French Ambassador in Berlin, to M. GEORGES BONNET, Minister for Foreign Affairs.
Berlin, March 18, 1939.

As the Minister for Foreign Affairs is not in Berlin, I saw the State Secretary this morning and carried out the instructions which had been given me.

Before acquainting himself with the contents of the French Government's note, Herr von Weizsäcker asked me to give him its tenor. When I had communicated the substance of it to him, the State Secretary declared that he refused to accept a protest from the French Government concerning Czechoslovakia. He requested me to ask Your Excellency to reconsider the question. I replied that the French Government had carefully weighed its decision and that it was utterly useless to ask them to change it. As Herr von Weizsäcker still refused to accept the Note, I recalled diplomatic usage and the right of my country to express its opinion of recent events. The State Secretary's attitude surprised me all the more because the object of discussion was a solemn act, signed by the heads of the French Government and the Government of the Reich. What had Germany made of the Munich Agreement? Herr von Weizsäcker, without making a direct answer, referred to verbal assurances alleged to have been given to Herr von Ribbentrop by Your Excellency in Paris after the signature of the declaration of December 6, according to which Czechoslovakia was in future not to be the subject of "an exchange of views." He added that if the German Government had supposed that it might be otherwise, they would not have signed the pact.

I replied to Herr von Weizsäcker that no trace could be found of any such assurance, either in the declaration of December 6 nor in the broadcast statements which had accompanied it, and that the French authors of this agreement could never have meant it to constitute a possible recognition of the suppression of Czechoslovakia however liberally its spirit were to be interpreted:

The declaration, on the contrary, provided that the two Governments would consult each other on matters which concerned them both and which in their development might threaten to cause international difficulties.

Changing his ground, Herr von Weizsäcker then expressed astonishment that the French Government could protest against a state of affairs resulting from a treaty between the heads of the German and the Czech State.

I pointed out to him that he was now going to the root of the matter and that I could answer that we had the strongest reasons for thinking that the Czech negotiators had not found themselves in a position to express their will freely. Herr von Weizsäcker finally said he would take the Note as if it had been sent to him by post, but that he feared the French Government might regret this step.

I replied that one could never regret having done one's duty, and with these words took leave of the State Secretary.

The frown on Herr von Weizsäcker's face and the first gesture he made on seeing the document which I gave him warned me at the outset that he knew the purpose of my visit and had been instructed to persuade me to withdraw the Note. It was obviously impossible for me to yield to that wish.

COULONDRE.

M. COULONDRE, French Ambassador in Berlin, to M. GEORGES BONNET, Minister for Foreign Affairs.
Berlin, March 18, 1939.

ACCORDING to information that I have gathered from the best sources, the development the Czechoslovak drama seems to have been as follows:

The Nazi leaders, displeased at the resistance offered by Czechoslovakia to her new position of tutelage last December, worked out a scheme which, as the Germans put it, would effectively prevent this State from ever again becoming a menace to the Reich. But M. Chvalkovsky did not succeed in persuading Prague to accept this plan, which must already have almost amounted to a Protectorate. It was decided in Berlin to break this too unmanageable tool. From the month of February onwards, this Embassy drew attention to certain characteristic signs in this respect.

It was in these circumstances that the leaders of Austria, Seyss-Inquart and Bürckel, were personally ordered about three weeks ago to fan the agitation in Slovakia in favour of its independence. The Vienna wireless station took part in this. The Czech Government, frightened by the speed with which the movement was growing, dismissed Mgr. Tiso, who was considered to be too conciliatory. Herr Hitler was waiting for this mistake. It is only then, that is to say about March 9, that he seems to have taken the decisions which led to the disappearance of Czechoslovakia. Mgr. Tiso was summoned to Berlin. The Führer informed him of the coming invasion of Bohemia and Moravia and charged him, under threat of seeing Slovakia suffer the same fate, with bringing about the immediate separation of that country from Prague.

In order to prevent Germany's seizure of Slovakia the Hungarians and Poles hastened to recognize the independence of that country on the day of its proclamation, March 14; Germany, the instigator of the whole thing, abstained from so doing but sent troops to occupy Bratislava. Under pressure, Mgr. Tiso telegraphed to the Führer asking for protection, which was immediately granted. The German troops continued their march into Slovakia, but, on representations from Poland, Berlin decided to withdraw them to the line of the Vaag.

COULONDRE.

10 posted on 03/18/2009 7:18:36 AM PDT by CougarGA7 (Wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone.)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Got a question. If Memphis is so great, why did it get a number 2 seeding? It should be number 1 seeded, not UConn.


11 posted on 03/18/2009 8:17:21 AM PDT by Biggirl (GO UCONN!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Biggirl

Simple answer, no respect for a team that has piled up record after record this season.

The selection committee had rather give a kidney than give us a number one seed. The only reason that we got the top seed last season was a 3 RPI, and had no choice.


12 posted on 03/18/2009 8:31:17 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (GO MEMPHIS TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Coldwater Creek

I have heard that 3 players from Memphis has gone pro, also some injuries. Can you go more into detail. Thanks.


13 posted on 03/18/2009 9:10:50 AM PDT by Biggirl (GO UCONN!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Homer_J_Simpson; All

Wasn’t the post season NIT Basketball Tournament considered to of equal or greater importance during this era?


14 posted on 03/18/2009 9:52:59 AM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Tallguy

Yes. Check yesterday’s post for a discussion on that. While this was the first year for the NCAA it was the second year for the NIT. The latter included only six teams. I understand the NCAA entrants were all conference winners, which looks right, considering the teams.


15 posted on 03/18/2009 10:06:13 AM PDT by Homer_J_Simpson ("Every nation has the government that it deserves." - Joseph de Maistre (1753-1821))
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To: Homer_J_Simpson

Thanks. I’ll go back up my ping list and check it out.


16 posted on 03/18/2009 11:10:35 AM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Biggirl
Three of the players went pro last year, but as Bobby Knight has pointed out, we have maybe the best point guards, who is only a freshman in the country. Only one injury who has not played all year.

We thought that we were really going to miss Dereck Rose, who was the all over number one NBA pick last season, but Tyreck Evans and our seniors, who BTY are graduating on time ,have picked up the void and we have the longest winning streak in NCAA history.

Having said that, any team can lose any given game and the number one seeds are just as vulnerable as the 16th seed. We'll just have to take it game by game.

Thanks for your interest.

Maria

17 posted on 03/18/2009 11:56:27 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (GO MEMPHIS TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Consider today the start of a whole new season, and the sports version of musical chairs, anything can happen! :)


18 posted on 03/19/2009 3:09:54 AM PDT by Biggirl (GO UCONN!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Biggirl

I agree!

Keep in touch

Maria


19 posted on 03/19/2009 6:26:33 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek (GO MEMPHIS TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Coldwater Creek

Will do!


20 posted on 03/19/2009 7:40:47 AM PDT by Biggirl (GO UCONN!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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